Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[Quesse]

The entire point of the game originally was cross-class abilities. First they limit them severely and now they are taking them away one by one. Might as well just ditch the entire armory system at this point.

[zdub303]

The entire point of the game originally was cross-class abilities. First they limit them severely and now they are taking them away one by one. Might as well just ditch the entire armory system at this point.

You're better off ignoring the armory system as it is anyways... (by having to level alts in order to bypass coil lockouts).

[Amocoru]

Where did I say that? They are talking about changing the cross abilities that bard can use............................................



Pretty much cause melees are bad we get called OP so they get buffed and we get nerf'd slightly. All DPS classes can do more than BRD if played right.

Sure, in IDEAL situations. You're forgetting that melee are punished by each and every ability that enemies use. While this is going on BRD and BLM and SMN are sitting back PewPewing away without a care in the world while DRG and MNK watch their DPS fall down into abysmal numbers because if they don't dodge they die. It's not people being "bad" it's boss mechanics being EXTREMELY flawed. Sure, a DRG or MNK will easily out dps you if they're able to actually keep up a stable rotation, but that just doesn't ever happen.

[AntonyB]

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Only situation this happens is Titan. Everything else like, you know actually content like coil then DRGs, SMNs & BLMs all stomp BRD if played right. Just because you look at 1 situation that BRDs can beat people that makes them OP? So I should scream that SMN is OP cause they drop buffs on turn 1 boss and can do 2x the damage cause of 2 mobs? It's a PvE game, not like 1 being slightly better means anything. If it was a true PvP game then of course it matters, but yeah PvE and all.

[Espi]

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Agreed. All this crying about BRDs outdpsing other classes just boggles my mind considering FF is a PVE game. "Ohnoes! My party member is doing more damage to the mob we are BOTH trying to kill together, please nerf" crowd is screwing this game (and class). I guess it's all about the epeen.

[elreed]

If they change to conjurer instead of lancer, then I will leave that job for sure until they release a ranger, I don't get it why they keep nerfing stuff instead of boosting other jobs to look for balance, in other games that I played they boost other classes and after testing every patch nobody complained. I've been trying other dps and I don't find those enough interesting to play, its sad for me because this class was my first since 1.0 release and liked it from day one and they kept nerfing it all the time...(multishot)

And why didn't they say it at least a few weeks in advance, I wouldn't have wasted all those seals to get a relic+1 and all the good gear ><

[Steeled]

The defense here is hilarious.

Bard's have a far simpler job than any other DPS. The only thing they don't bring is a desirable limit break. SE could do two things, they could buff all other DDs (and have to consider rebalancing content) or they could nerf one job.

Sensible choice, not as fun as buffs, but eh.

To be honest bard needs it. Hate me, I don't care. That mobility and safety from other people's reds, which slows down melee dps, has to cost something. At the moment, the only time it costs anything is if there isn't someone else with a desirable LB in group.

Don't see me playing bard much if they turn us into a glorified harp player. I am a dps, I want to stay dps so give us ranger and let the music players have at it. Don't destroy a class I love. Quit nerfing us, and ppl quit qq'ing about the unfairness of bard. Archer has been this way since alpha and only now you're whining about us. You had your chance during alpha and all the beta phases to qq about how unfair you have it compared to us. Just leave us alone and buff the classes that are busy crying a river. Atm, there is only one ranged choice for a bow class and that's bard, why mess with something that's been this way since alpha?

I just wanna say...

"Don't see me playing bard if they turn us into a bard."

[AntonyB]

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Did you see the live letter? They get a 10% damage increase AND we are going to get nerfed, plus they also get higher combos as an extra buff. It wasn't 1 or the other, it was both.

[Cherie]

So like, what are Bards good for anyway?

SONGs! right?
Swiftsong we play that alot right? --- "Um, what does that do again? Make you craft faster?"

Foe Requiem! cause like, you have a black mage or summoner in the party right? "Oh well, we didn't bring one today... cause well, no one likes to play those as much!"

no wait, I got it, Army's Paeon! for like, melee! we got those now right cause they buffed it? --- "Um, no save your mana for...."

Mage's Ballad! Right! I knew it was something! but like, so um, we are a one trick pony?

More songs pls! Um, how about "Song of Valor"!?!?!one You Bards that pay attention to stuffs in the story battles know what I'm talking about.

I mean, if our dps is gonna well, SUCK, um, can't we have more support stuffs? I mean like ya, I get it! Everyone is a freaking bard! I knows! but still... :/

But like, isn't this a step backwards? People are going to go like "Bards, eeeeew, get something good like a monk or dragoon!"

[Cherie]

Also Paeon totally fills TP faster than we use it. Yup.

I agree (assuming you were being funny) that Paeon isn't very useful to the bard singing it at all.

1)If you look at the cost of Bard's AoE skills you realize that they are expensive, having a bit of TP trickle in every so many seconds isn't going to allow you to AoE more... really. Add to that, well, if I was a total idiot and used ALL my TP AoEing so I can't even heavy shot without sitting still for a while to regen a bit (I've done this too, so I won't judge you), by the time Army's Paeon even casts, you'd be good to go pretty much anyway. So why not just sit there a second and NOT nerf your dps by 20%?
2)The second side of this is Lore or how about we call it common sense. Would a Bard sing a song to cheer THEMSELVES up? Isn't it about cheering up your friends? I mean, you know the song, you are singing it, so like, haven't you heard it before and it's less interesting?