Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[Stanice]

People need to stop over-reacting (or crying, if you prefer). Everyone knew Bards did too many things too well and a nerf was coming. It was meant to be a support-ish class in the first place.

On that note, Acn cross class skills fits their intended role perfectly (which doesn't make sense on Blm whatsoever), and I predict that's what they'll have now.

[Leon_Stormrage]

People need to stop over-reacting (or crying, if you prefer). Everyone knew Bards did too many things too well and a nerf was coming. It was meant to be a support-ish class in the first place.

On that note, Acn cross class skills fits their intended role perfectly (which doesn't make sense on Blm whatsoever), and I predict that's what they'll have now.

You know nothing Jon Stanice.

[Quesse]

The entire point of the game originally was cross-class abilities. First they limit them severely and now they are taking them away one by one. Might as well just ditch the entire armory system at this point.

[zdub303]

The entire point of the game originally was cross-class abilities. First they limit them severely and now they are taking them away one by one. Might as well just ditch the entire armory system at this point.

You're better off ignoring the armory system as it is anyways... (by having to level alts in order to bypass coil lockouts).

[elreed]

If they change to conjurer instead of lancer, then I will leave that job for sure until they release a ranger, I don't get it why they keep nerfing stuff instead of boosting other jobs to look for balance, in other games that I played they boost other classes and after testing every patch nobody complained. I've been trying other dps and I don't find those enough interesting to play, its sad for me because this class was my first since 1.0 release and liked it from day one and they kept nerfing it all the time...(multishot)

And why didn't they say it at least a few weeks in advance, I wouldn't have wasted all those seals to get a relic+1 and all the good gear ><

[Steeled]

The defense here is hilarious.

Bard's have a far simpler job than any other DPS. The only thing they don't bring is a desirable limit break. SE could do two things, they could buff all other DDs (and have to consider rebalancing content) or they could nerf one job.

Sensible choice, not as fun as buffs, but eh.

To be honest bard needs it. Hate me, I don't care. That mobility and safety from other people's reds, which slows down melee dps, has to cost something. At the moment, the only time it costs anything is if there isn't someone else with a desirable LB in group.

Don't see me playing bard much if they turn us into a glorified harp player. I am a dps, I want to stay dps so give us ranger and let the music players have at it. Don't destroy a class I love. Quit nerfing us, and ppl quit qq'ing about the unfairness of bard. Archer has been this way since alpha and only now you're whining about us. You had your chance during alpha and all the beta phases to qq about how unfair you have it compared to us. Just leave us alone and buff the classes that are busy crying a river. Atm, there is only one ranged choice for a bow class and that's bard, why mess with something that's been this way since alpha?

I just wanna say...

"Don't see me playing bard if they turn us into a bard."

[AntonyB]

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Did you see the live letter? They get a 10% damage increase AND we are going to get nerfed, plus they also get higher combos as an extra buff. It wasn't 1 or the other, it was both.

[Cherie]

So like, what are Bards good for anyway?

SONGs! right?
Swiftsong we play that alot right? --- "Um, what does that do again? Make you craft faster?"

Foe Requiem! cause like, you have a black mage or summoner in the party right? "Oh well, we didn't bring one today... cause well, no one likes to play those as much!"

no wait, I got it, Army's Paeon! for like, melee! we got those now right cause they buffed it? --- "Um, no save your mana for...."

Mage's Ballad! Right! I knew it was something! but like, so um, we are a one trick pony?

More songs pls! Um, how about "Song of Valor"!?!?!one You Bards that pay attention to stuffs in the story battles know what I'm talking about.

I mean, if our dps is gonna well, SUCK, um, can't we have more support stuffs? I mean like ya, I get it! Everyone is a freaking bard! I knows! but still... :/

But like, isn't this a step backwards? People are going to go like "Bards, eeeeew, get something good like a monk or dragoon!"

[Rjain]

The defense here is hilarious.

Bard's have a far simpler job than any other DPS. The only thing they don't bring is a desirable limit break. SE could do two things, they could buff all other DDs (and have to consider rebalancing content) or they could nerf one job.

Oh look, someone who hasn't even touched archer telling others that bard is easy.

While I will agree that it's definitely easier than monk or dragoon for leveling and pre-endgame content, bard is one of the most if not the most difficult job to play correctly for endgame. It is not just stand there DPSing/dodging. Bards typically have far more to do than other jobs and far more to look out for. They kite, they do mandatory silences, they place damage mitigation at key times, they have to use songs at key times, on top of trying to maximize their damage. Their damage mitigation ability costs 200 TP, so even with invigorate bards will often find themselves at 0 TP just for doing what they're supposed to do without worrying about max damage.

This is coming from someone who has geared nearly every job and has utilized every job in endgame.

[Steeled]

Oh look, someone who hasn't even touched archer telling others that bard is easy.

You can't counter my argument so you counter my experience. Lovely. I haven't touched blm (well, it's 26), monk, or dragoon either but I have friends that love all 4 jobs (no diehard summoners either) and the cumulative picture is clear.

Every job has things to balance and rotate, and I never said bard was different here. People try to say Titan is the only fight where Bard has the advantage but that isn't true. Reds (any bad aoe/landslide/plumes) can happen to anyone at any time in a lot of fights. Some, like Titan, are hypercritical. You have a more hp than your ranged friends, and have to do a lot less dodging than the melees.

And sorry, don't overhype the difficulty of your job (or most jobs). Bard is played well by some of the dumbest people I have ever met in this game. I'm not calling bards dumb, I'm just not calling them hard. They do have good utility they can contribute, and gosh I love the ones that do, like silencing, mitigating damage, great kiting, but a lot of classes do. You can also play most classes herpyderp style.

Now go back to my armory, or read my forum posts and say "Oh, this is coming from a pld main", yep, it's coming from a pld main. A class I love, but I wish it was more complex too.

your rite sir only whm.... it clearly says whm/sch and the point hes tying to make is because brds buffs arnt as strong as whm buffs which i repeat clearly says whm/sch they would never be a reason to use them which is clearly false and understood by anyone who played brd in 1.0 and even now ive been in plenty of parties without any whm the point is supporting is supporting its not about who cast the better buff its about making sure the buffs are up and the healers arnt wasting there mana or time to cast the buff thus the TERM support not only that our support job was to raise anyone who was dead buff them and heal if a healer went down so yes i took the advice and read it but my point is very clear thanks and this is wat i was editing my post with along with that whm are the only ones who can to a better protect and ss but since u had to jump to correct me before i could finish editing it u get my full response lol thanks for the correction though

and this guy doesnt even have archer to 50 where do we keep getting these ppl from

whatsamatter? people didn't agree with you the first time you posted exactly the same thing, so you had to hop on the armory troll bandwagon?

I'd like to remind you that your lodestone profile can be viewed by all. Given you're never actually played an archer, let alone a bard it's probably not wise to spout off baseless opinions. I for one, coming from having played monk and dragoon first, was rather surprised to find bard no less complex than playing a healer or tank - and more challenging than dragoon.

Easy to play, but not so easy to play to it's fullest

Oh gosh, I retract everything I said. Oh wait, I don't. Another person who can't counter my argument so chooses to attack my experience.

Full disclosure, I thought I had played archer to 10, but must have been a last beta character. Does that get me brownie points?