Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[ChaozK]

Maybe if BRDs wouldnt have access to invigorate, Army's Paeon would become a more viable choice. I would really hope they would just get rid of the dmg penalty on paeon, its in no way as useful as ballad in its current form.

[Zumi]

Possible brd nerf would be to get rid of lnc as cross class and give them back conj like in 1.0. Would make brd have to paeon more of they need tp reducing their damage. Give them some more throw away support abilities a cure and stoneskin.

[Mergadeth]

I wish they would just tell us what they are doing so we can make contingency plans, start rolling on alts etc. Sure okay they can nerf us but how would that improve anything? How is contributing less damage with our party going to help anyone? Battles are a team effort. When you take something vital away from a team member it can only make the team suffer. I respect other classes and they play how they want to play, it doesn't affect me. I'm happy tp hear about buffs for the WAR and DRG. I just don't get how it impacts other people and why they want BRDS to suffer so to speak.

What bothers me the most is the potential to be less useful to my team.

[Fantasy9]

For heaven's sake i pray they do not make it CNJ instead of LNC or PGL because then it will be 1.0 all over again....
In 1.0 I was forced to level BLM because BRDs were the black sheep of dps BECAUSE they were seen as support/off healer just because they could equip healing spells. But what you need to realize is, BRDs do not have the MP to spare for off healing since our songs suck the life out of our mp as it is. Either the crybabies want our songs or they want support, they can't have both unless SE changes the songs from mp consuption to timed like 1.23. Also when I am playing on my DRG i can do as much dmg or more than my BRD can consistently so I have no idea why these players are complaining about BRD especially since for now this is a PvE game. Who seriously complains that a class/job is OP in a PvE game?

[Mergadeth]

I dunno...with two healers in a party already CNJ skills would just be junk skills I would never use. Without Invigorate I would just stand around auto attacking for long stretches of time and be effectively dead weight to my team.

[NightWrath]

What i ready in the translate, bard is not going to be nerf a lot as ppl are saying, and i could see in his face that he didn't approve the nerf on bard, while he as saying that bard are useful for any content and that's what would change, he is probably going to lose some dmg, or suport skill. (he affirmed that silence wouldn't be)

Don't think they will take invigorate out, since bard need it to keep rain of death, and to use aoe, taking invigorate out and they can take all the 3 aoe skill too because they will never be used.


Now there is one thing bothering me, is that i read this phrase there right after he finish talking about DRG, "increase in 10% close range damage" and start talking about the ranges, so i couldn't understand if he wanted to say that dragon would give 10% more dps, and the translate was wrong, or this is an incentive for ranges to fight close to boss and had to evade more mechanics.

[Resultsmayvary]

Also when I am playing on my DRG i can do as much dmg or more than my BRD can consistently so I have no idea why these players are complaining about BRD especially since for now this is a PvE game. Who seriously complains that a class/job is OP in a PvE game?

A Dragoon on a dummy for sure, but a Bards mobility and ability to do damage in any situation overcompensated for the discrepancy. Dragoons also have a 27 press rotation so their DPS is a bit more earned, not to mention that melee should have some incentive for their increased difficulty and rigid requirements.

And the people who say that one class is OP are the people who want all classes to be viable. If one class is clearly superior to all others it crushes balance.

[Zumi]

Don't think they will take invigorate out, since bard need it to keep rain of death, and to use aoe, taking invigorate out and they can take all the 3 aoe skill too because they will never be used.

Brd already has a TP regen ability Peaon. You would have to use that more when you aoe instead of never using it like you do now, if they took away lnc skills.

[permbanned]

Removing LNC skills will kill the job. Think about it.

If BRD loses invigorate, the only way they can get TP up is paeon. BRD burns through tp at a moderate pace on its own, but once you start throwing in Rain of Death it burns through it substantially faster. Add in AoE spam and there's no question that they burn through their TP faster than any other job in the game.

BRD will end up having to rely on paeon to keep their TP up, which means no requiem and no ballad. The only way to get ballad as well is to add another BRD to the group and have one ballad and the other paeon so both can be kept up for a long duration of time. But the problem is they get -20% dmg debuff the entire time. Add that to the fact that they'll lose BfB, and you have a severely gimped DPS class taking up 2 slots in your party, and we all know how great the majority of people are with DPS checks in this game already. Why even bother taking BRD anymore? DRG and MNK are getting buffed, which already do higher DPS than BRD. It would kill the job completely or at the very best turn it into the job that nobody wants to play but someone has to if healer MP becomes an issue in a fight.

[Mergadeth]

I spend my time keeping Mages Ballad up. I don't know how I would be able to manage my TP and help the healers at the same time. TP song is supposed to be for the group and not yourself only. So then wouldn't it make people more inclined to take two bards to every fight if this is the case. So one can keep each ballad up?

Guess we will find out on Dec. 17th......