Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower...

[Yshnal]

Thank you for name calling, I assume you've read my posting history to judge how selfish and unrealistic I am about MMORPG and players in general. You're so great yourself!

Wait, how is that selfish to suggest more content for everyone and their mother? Yeah, whatever.

Way to blow things out of proportion. Thanks for assuming that I was calling you a selfish one, or that that rethorical sentence was directed at you and only at you specifically. But anyway, sorry I guess, even if I stand with what I said about unrealistic expectations (keep reading below).

Also, regarding what you were suggesting, how is content harder than Coil (because let's face it, with the same base difficulty and 16 more players to coordinate it would be way harder to complete) something for everyone?

As for the rest, I don't agree, 4 bosses is just not a lot, and different difficulty levels don't change the fact that other MMORPG's release raids with 6-13 bosses on a regular basis, so it's no unrealistic at all. With 3 or even 4 difficulty levels, on day 1 of their introduction. Fact.

After how many months? And with what other content? Because, as far as I know, they usually just release those raids and some balance changes, but nothing else. If you want new systems, quests, etc. you have to wait (and pay) for an expansion.

To reiterate it, Crystal Tower was said to be content aimed at the more casual playerbase, and balanced around the Duty Finder (not to mention that it doesn't have any limits on it, unlike Coil). I don't know why some people look so surprised about it now, when this isn't news.

And regarding the 8-man limit to go into the DF, I'm sure that it will be changed when they can (or at least I remember them saying so in the Live Letter), but that will just make CT even easier though. So maybe that will be introduced along a hard mode version of it, and everyone will be happy then. Meanwhile just try to tackle that content as a new challenge. Helping/coordinating the other two full parties made of people that you don't know might prove as a good exercise, and maybe you all could end having fun with those random strangers.

Patience is a virtue, or so they say.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

1. Way to blow things out of proportion. Thanks for assuming that I was calling you a selfish one, or that that rethorical sentence was directed at you and only at you specifically. But anyway, sorry I guess, even if I stand with what I said about unrealistic expectations (keep reading below).

2. Also, regarding what you were suggesting, how is content harder than Coil (because let's face it, with the same base difficulty and 16 more players to coordinate it would be way harder to complete) something for everyone?


3. After how many months? And with what other content? Because, as far as I know, they usually just release those raids and some balance changes, but nothing else. If you want new systems, quests, etc. you have to wait (and pay) for an expansion.

4. To reiterate it, Crystal Tower was said to be content aimed at the more casual playerbase, and balanced around the Duty Finder (not to mention that it doesn't have any limits on it, unlike Coil). I don't know why some people look so surprised about it now, when this isn't news.

And regarding the 8-man limit to go into the DF, I'm sure that it will be changed when they can (or at least I remember them saying so in the Live Letter), but that will just make CT even easier though. So maybe that will be introduced along a hard mode version of it, and everyone will be happy then. Meanwhile just try to tackle that content as a new challenge. Helping/coordinating the other two full parties made of people that you don't know might prove as a good exercise, and maybe you all could end having fun with those random strangers.

Patience is a virtue, or so they say.

(Please bear with me as I added numbers in your quote just to address points specifically without multi-quoting)
1. Well, you did quote me and replied directly to my arguments so forgive me if I assumed that your post was directed at me, but it just seemed logical. If it wasn't, then this is a misunderstanding between us and I hope we can move past that. No hard feelings!

2. More people doesn't necessarily mean that it's harder overall. If you know WoW for instance, compare 25-men Raid Finder with 10-men heroic of the same raid… see what I mean? ^^; Also, while it's true that coordination is harder with more people, it can totally be alleviated with lower enemy damage, more forgiving mechanics, less complicated patterns to remember, etc. Also, CT is supposed to be played as 3 groups of 8, not 1 group of 24 (implying, from what I understand, that you won't ever play with more than 7 other people at a time; excepted perhaps for the last boss, and that might be separate teams as in FF VI). I really think, given that CT is in the DF, from all the experience I have in MMO's, and from what Yoshi said, that CT will be easier / more accessible than Coil.

3. At release or a few months after (1st or second patch). I'm really talking about a single raid, available on day 1, with 6-13 bosses, at least 2 difficulty levels (and sometimes more, but that's rather in the case of an expansion, you're right about that). That's a fair kind of standard for good endgame MMO's—and we wouldn't want ARR to be anything than a good MMO, right?

4. So you agree with me on point 2 on difficulty CT is casual, and it's good that it is. No argument against that. However "balanced around DF" doesn't imply that you can't pre-make the group. Actually all content available on DF right now is pre-makeable. So it was a fair assumption. And a standard in MMO (you'd think the least is a pre-made, whereas a DF isn't always available). There's no way to spin this otherwise.

As for "new challenge", I made quite a wall of text about that already (above, post #339, the part below the second quote). Short story: yeah it's true, but you can't force that on players because it just doesn't fly in practice most of the time, it's frustrating for many and understandably so, sociologically (please read the post if you wish to answer that point because this 'short story' really doesn't cover my thoughts entirely). Please note that I personally understand and actually share your vision, but I know that this subjective opinion of ours is objectively marginal among players, and it's quite provable or rather understandable 'scientifically' (sociology, psychology).

[Raze_Krauser]

Put in my vote that this is A VERY STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to PuG 2/3rds of the event?!?!?!!?!?!!?!.......

I love the idea of 3 (8-man) raid working in unison to tackle a raid dungeon. But to be forced to deny so many people from my server and my FC to raid with me and 7 others?.....this is the most ridiculous concept in MMO history since the actual implementation of a matchmaking DF/LFR/LFG service!

If I wanted to play with PuGs, I'd go back to WoW and be a LFR-drone.

change your freakin' attitude SE!

[Alixandir]

Was looking forward to finally get some content to do with a large part of my FC.. but I guess not. It's as if SE has done all they can to shatter in-game communities in this game.

[mindful]

Biggest problem with not forming the 24 people on your server with friends or a free company is the social aspect. Nothing more or nothing less. Having only the option at 8 people does nothing for the game social aspects at all. It would be nice if they have the option on the duty finder also to so see how many groups are looking and decide if worth the time to make a group at 8 people.

I would have it so. That once you got 24 people from your server or at least a free company only. For the fight you can do it with no rails.. Better community and server. Have the option so the main alliance leader can allow PUG players into the party if some DC or AWOL. Even if it is at the end of the fight like got it set up right now.

With the duty finder option available for PUG groups or low man players and players group up to 8 . It will still take hrs or days to get it started. When people leaving all the time on the search.

Right now we can all see it will take days just run one the CT runs since duty finder take hrs to match up and , people will leave to bed and other things while searching. We will never get a match going in under 15 minutes. If lucky be 4 hrs.

Right now there duty finder do not got the speed of the general xbox matchmaking system that many games use now days.

[Gurpsmeister]

This is really teh only major disapointment to me in the announcement. My FC and 3 others have joined together to form an alliance Linkshell specificaly for the purpose of finding groups in 2.1 for CT and although it's grown to be useful for group finding in general, this just really is lame.

[xagarelic]

Well, Square probably haven't perfected the alliance system yet so it can't be used outside the crystal tower, just wait up a bit, this thread has 35 pages, it bound to be catching some dev eyes sooner or later =))

I myself don't mind partying up to 23 other strangers, sure there will be trolls and stuff, I'll just gobble them up

[Dawning-Blue]

Crystal Tower in duty finder is a great thing Solo players like me and other people that don't have a FC can play too

[Freakiie]

Crystal Tower in duty finder is a great thing Solo players like me and other people that don't have a FC can play too

Sure, have fun "doing" this content when the other parties constantly drop out in order to queue up with 3 "alliance" parties. Sounds like great fun

[Dawning-Blue]

Sure, have fun "doing" this content when the other parties constantly drop out in order to queue up with 3 "alliance" parties. Sounds like great fun

I'll deal with that. I'm not filling out those crazy FC applications