Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower...

[Zezlar]

It's really such a shame that such an iconic dungeon is going to be sidelined due to this. FCs have been building since 1.0 to find members for CT to find out it went under significant ease of difficulty adjustments, and now you can't even enter with all your members. Why are they squandering this dungeon?

[KHShadowrunner]

It's really such a shame that such an iconic dungeon is going to be sidelined due to this. FCs have been building since 1.0 to find members for CT to find out it went under significant ease of difficulty adjustments, and now you can't even enter with all your members. Why are they squandering this dungeon?

Because they'd rather give it to you now, and fix it so that you can have more people, rather than tell you to wait another 6 months for it to come out in the next patch. yay!

[Zezlar]

Because they'd rather give it to you now, and fix it so that you can have more people, rather than tell you to wait another 6 months for it to come out in the next patch. yay!

Waste of time.

[Warku]

Because they'd rather give it to you now, and fix it so that you can have more people, rather than tell you to wait another 6 months for it to come out in the next patch. yay!

Except they knew they were making this 24 man content over 2 years ago. One would expect party creation systems to be working properly over that amount of time in development. Not to mention this patch has already been delayed by 30% of a patch 2.5-3 month cycle.

[ReviiLagoon]

My FC has 9, possibly 10 static coil groups. We had the potential to do 3 static CT runs, and with our LS being over 300 members we could easily do it more often. Now we are stuck doing it with 16 other random people who we could care less about...thanks SE.....way to discourage community.

[Tahldon]

Ah, well if they're working on the ability to make a pre-made group for CT in a later patch then I'm good. I'll wait til then.

As long as it's being addressed is all.

[Spinnn]

Cannot believe how terribly this is being handled, do you know how many FC's have purposely recruited at least 24 raiders in preparation for CT, and you are taking a HUGE dump over every single one of them. I know for a fact that we are going to quit once 2.1 comes out unless this changes.You push back the patch date to release all of 2.1 at the same time, and you pull this? Uncool, and I hope it causes you to lose a huge chunk of player base if you don't change it.

[Molly_Millions]

The butthurt is temporary. People will bitch and use the DF, ditching random parties until they get matched with their FC mates, and people will make due until the next patch. This is just the latest and greatest thing to be butthurt over. I'm guessing if people leave, they were likely just looking for a reason to leave anyway.

Sure, I'm disappointed, but there is still a way to play with my friends in CT. Next patch the issue won't even exist. You never know, SE may see threads like this and decide the fix needs to go out with a smaller bugfix patch.

[YuriRamona]

The butthurt is temporary. People will bitch and use the DF, ditching random parties until they get matched with their FC mates, and people will make due until the next patch. This is just the latest and greatest thing to be butthurt over. I'm guessing if people leave, they were likely just looking for a reason to leave anyway.

Sure, I'm disappointed, but there is still a way to play with my friends in CT. Next patch the issue won't even exist. You never know, SE may see threads like this and decide the fix needs to go out with a smaller bugfix patch.

This is a terrible attitude to approach this update with. People ditching the DF to play with their friends? This ruins the experience for everyone involved. And it is indeed very likely to occur. Shouldn't we all feel "butthurt" by the likelihood of other players ruining the dungeon?

The points raised in this thread are saying that there ARE solutions that would prevent players from, inevitably, ruining other peoples' experience. Are you suggest that everyone just deal with the change and run through when the inevitable trolls, bought accounts, AFKers, and general mayhem-causers are grouped with you? Or are you suggesting that somehow, these people won't find their way on to the DF? Are FC and pre-made groups not entitled to be fed up with non-cooperative antics that WILL occur?

[Molly_Millions]

This is a terrible attitude to approach this update with. People ditching the DF to play with their friends? This ruins the experience for everyone involved. And it is indeed very likely to occur. Shouldn't we all feel "butthurt" by the likelihood of other players ruining the dungeon?

The points raised in this thread are saying that there ARE solutions that would prevent players from, inevitably, ruining other peoples' experience. Are you suggest that everyone just deal with the change and run through when the inevitable trolls, bought accounts, AFKers, and general mayhem-causers are grouped with you? Or are you suggesting that somehow, these people won't find their way on to the DF? Are FC and pre-made groups not entitled to be fed up with non-cooperative antics that WILL occur?

Don't confuse my realism with pessimism. I'm not the one saying I'm going to leave over this.

Here's what I see happening; FC A creates 3 parties of 8 who all queue up for the DF at the same time. Given they are full parties, they stay in those parties, but they may not end up in the same instance. So all three parties leave to queue up again since groups that entered together are not hit by the 15 min wait timer. They can continue this until all 3 parties end up in the same instance.