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  1. #11
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    Aanmer's Avatar
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    Aanmerna Angel
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    Excalibur
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    Marauder Lv 50
    You get all the accuracy you need on your gear, but you have to have access to a lot of AF2/Allagan and mostly the Fending rings etc since theyre mostly all heavy Vit/Parry/Acc. The moment I unequipped Darklight, accuracy was a problem; slowly but surely I am recapping. I think now I am at 465 with food.

    Its funny though, Skill Speed is one of our best secondary tanking stats come 2.1 so Relic+1 will be used for tanking and Allagan Axe is for DPS MRD. Useful for faster Inner Beast refresh.
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  2. #12
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    TaneshimaPopura's Avatar
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    Taneshima Popura
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    Carbuncle
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    The little swing speed does add up, though most of your skill will still hit for the same. It is just a minor upgrade from Bravura +1. Side where did people hear of Allagan weapons being iLvl 95 come 2.1? iLvl 95 would mean WPN Dmg +1 , STR +2 VIT +2 Offstats +2-4. Accuracy isn't a problem really once you have Gryphonskins. As a tank I like to give DPS on the sides, more HP means nothing but buffer. I prefer my Dreadknights, Deadknights faster.

    Well Allagan for last week Allagan Scholar book this week. Hope to get my Axe or Sword soonish.
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  3. #13
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    Ceelo_Mage's Avatar
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    Ceelo Cakes
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Jabber25 View Post
    Is anyone else in the least bit curious why our relic weapon has skill speed on it instead of accuracy? Yes, this is a bit of a rant but I'm tired of stupid, worthless stats on gear that doesn't do anything useful.

    26 skill speed doesn't give us a lick of an edge over anything nor does it make a big difference of anything. I would like to get something going where the dev's can give us worthwhile stats and put accuracy in place of skill speed on the relic. If we can't hit anything, skill speed is worthless regardless. Tanks need to hit stuff to hold threat, not miss but have more skill speed.
    my BLM relic dont have ACC either join the Club mate
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  4. #14
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    Kitru Kitera
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    Cactuar
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura View Post
    The little swing speed does add up, though most of your skill will still hit for the same.
    Swing speed does nothing to DPS. All weapons are designed to deal exactly 83.33 potency per GCD through their auto-attack. A weapon with twice the weapon speed is going to hit for half as much damage. Weapon skills, on the other hand, are entirely governed by the physical damage attribute so that the only thing that matters is i-level. Bravura + 1 and Allagan Axe, before 2.1, are going to deal the *exact* same amount of damage, all else equal. This is also why WARs do not have some magical auto-attack advantage over PLD: WAR axe auto-attacks hit hard but occur much less often which means that Curtana and Bravura are going to deal the exact same amount of damage.
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  5. #15
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    Zoomie Vi
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    Brynhildr
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    Culinarian Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Seidaku View Post
    Wont matter if they make the Allagan ilvl higher in 2.1. Relic will go into the dust closet.
    LOL?

    Plz SE... upgrade all my Allagan for me.

    "log out an i90 char"

    "log in an i100 char"?
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  6. #16
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    Garnatian's Avatar
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    Gaust Euler
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    Ragnarok
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Well, Skill Speed increases your mitigation now, by how much, can't say.
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  7. #17
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    Colin Chulainn
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    Cactuar
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    Blacksmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnatian View Post
    Well, Skill Speed increases your mitigation now, by how much, can't say.
    Unless they buff skill speed it'll hardly make a difference. In Full myth/allagan and gunning for as much Skill speed as you can get through accessories and level 90 gear you won't even be able to reduce your GCDs low enough to see even a 1 second advantage in a standard wrath building combo.
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  8. #18
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    Leon Solitario
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    Unless they buff skill speed it'll hardly make a difference. In Full myth/allagan and gunning for as much Skill speed as you can get through accessories and level 90 gear you won't even be able to reduce your GCDs low enough to see even a 1 second advantage in a standard wrath building combo.
    If my napkin math ain't as bad as I think, with bravura +1 and melded accessories you should be able to push below 2.5 sec gcd; that should be something like a 18% increase in IB up-time when spammed. Of course the viability of such play-style (IB spam) will depend on the content.
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  9. #19
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    Garnatian's Avatar
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    Gaust Euler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    Unless they buff skill speed it'll hardly make a difference. In Full myth/allagan and gunning for as much Skill speed as you can get through accessories and level 90 gear you won't even be able to reduce your GCDs low enough to see even a 1 second advantage in a standard wrath building combo.
    26 Parry isn't going to make a non-trivial difference either and it even has the potential to make zero difference.

    Pre-2.1 skill speed wouldn't have increased net mitigation, but now it does, so this complaint is no longer an issue.
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    Last edited by Garnatian; 11-23-2013 at 09:06 AM.


  10. #20
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    Colin Chulainn
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    Cactuar
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    Blacksmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Skull_Angel View Post
    If my napkin math ain't as bad as I think, with bravura +1 and melded accessories you should be able to push below 2.5 sec gcd; that should be something like a 18% increase in IB up-time when spammed. Of course the viability of such play-style (IB spam) will depend on the content.
    Assuming 8 skills uses base to generate 5 stacks of wrath you would have to reduce your GCD from 2.5 to 2.375 to gain just a single second. It's a 5% gain. The highest skill speed bonus you can obtain as a warrior is 121 (assuming +16 for each accessory slot +15 for the myth helm and +24 for Bravura+1) which would only drop you down to about 2.38 (assuming linear gains of -0.01 GCD per ~10 as I have not seen any testing on stacking skill speed and this is the number I have seen in my own practice).

    Edit: After going through the DB there are no rings with a skill speed budget above 12 so knock of 8 from that original total of 121.
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    Last edited by Phreak; 11-23-2013 at 09:24 AM.

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