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    Welsper59's Avatar
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    I, along with many others, share your pain. The fact that consistent fails occur in large doses to pretty much everyone (which after is back to what should be higher amounts of success), is a bit of a red flag to something being wrong with the algorithm of the system. But maybe that's intentional (as there's never been any mention on it), or maybe that's how "random" works? /shrug Never figured random to be predictable though.

    Quote Originally Posted by EinSoFZ View Post
    I can tell you that I've done Garuda HM over 80 times and I've only seen a bow drop once. Not an exaggeration one bit. I have however seen a plethora of SCH books...back to back to back. I'd be curious to know how SE programmed RNG for anything that uses it to determine drop or success rates etc.
    Loot drops should be considered to run on a different system IMO. You can control success with crafting/gathering, you can't control loot drops (yet... THF? purty please!). Meaning the system has to adjust itself and rely on manipulable variables before it applies RNG. Plus, loot usually won't be 80-99% drop chance, whereas crafters/gatherers frequently find 80-99% success chance chain fail 4-8 times in a row. I have firsthand experience on that 8x fail with 95% success.
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    Last edited by Welsper59; 11-22-2013 at 06:16 AM.

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    Castillan Lionheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    I, along with many others, share your pain. The fact that consistent fails occur in large doses to pretty much everyone (which after is back to what should be higher amounts of success),
    One example I had was 8 fails out of 9, on Hasty Touch, with Steady Hand 2 up (80% success rate). There's a 0.000256% chance to have 8 or more fails out of 9 tries.
    On another long crafting attempt, I had 9 SH2/HT fails out 13 tries, which in itself there is a 0.0000279% chance to have 9 or more fails out of 13.
    Or just today, mining, 7 fails in a row at 73% chance, which is a 0.01% chance of occurring.

    I've also had 8xSH2/HT fails out of 12. And 6 fails out of 11 occur, and 5 x SH2/HT fails in a row.

    An RNG is such that the any one or two of those events occurring is to be expected, but to have all 6, over the period of a week, says to me that something is wrong.
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    Yuri Ramona
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    Quote Originally Posted by Castillan View Post
    One example I had was 8 fails out of 9, on Hasty Touch, with Steady Hand 2 up (80% success rate). There's a 0.000256% chance to have 8 or more fails out of 9 tries.
    On another long crafting attempt, I had 9 SH2/HT fails out 13 tries, which in itself there is a 0.0000279% chance to have 9 or more fails out of 13.
    Or just today, mining, 7 fails in a row at 73% chance, which is a 0.01% chance of occurring.

    I've also had 8xSH2/HT fails out of 12. And 6 fails out of 11 occur, and 5 x SH2/HT fails in a row.

    An RNG is such that the any one or two of those events occurring is to be expected, but to have all 6, over the period of a week, says to me that something is wrong.
    Everyone put on your tinfoil hats!!!
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