Thread: So, what do PALADINS get in 2.1?

Paladins are supposed to main tank heavy hitting bosses.
Warriors are supposed to tanks many groups of adds

Two different play styles and two different tanking classes
One class is not suppose to out shine the other they are supposed to work together to achieve the same goal.
This is not PVP kids this is PVE.

Originally Posted by Swordthane13

Paladins are supposed to main tank heavy hitting bosses.
Warriors are supposed to tanks many groups of adds

Two different play styles and two different tanking classes
One class is not suppose to out shine the other they are supposed to work together to achieve the same goal.
This is not PVP kids this is PVE.

No tank is supposed to do anything. In fact, PLD would be better than WAR for add tanking due to being able to mitigate more, thus making opportunity for the healer to throw some damage in there.

Originally Posted by Leiron

It does, seriously, whoever perpetuated the idea that Shield oath doesn't have an enmity modifier is re-re.
Flash generates more enmity with shield oath up than it does with Sword oath.

The issue is the damage loss for a Paladin is 25%, and I suspect the Enmity modifier is only 20%.

Sorry, should have been clearer. I understand that there's a +threat modifier in Shield Oath. It is just that the buff does nothing more than (maybe) make up for the loss in threat from the damage reduction. Seems a tanking stance ought to actually give you real net +threat.

Originally Shield Oath did give something like a 2x enmity modifier, but then they reduced it to try and make enmity management more difficult.

If WARs are getting a boost to their mitigation, I only think it's fair that PLD get a boost to AoE tanking capability. Increase enmity gained from flash by 200-300% and introduce a new ability called "Hold the Line". For it's 20 second duration, block all attacks and take half damage from everything. You're rooted in place and you can't attack, so before popping this ability, make sure you have good aggro.

And since we're blurring the line between PLD and WAR, let's just merge the two jobs into a Warridin. Yeah! A job that has excellent AoE threat ability plus the best mitigation in the game. I'd play that.

Actually wouldnt mind replacing Tempered Will with something like "Hold The Line"

As you said, for 10-20 seconds, lets realistically say 10, you take half damage from all attacks, and additionally block all frontal attacks. But during this time, you are rooted, pacified, and silenced... But not stunned... nobody likes being stunned.
Additionally, you are immune to all knockbacks, knock-ups, knock-downs... basically all CC.

Give this a 4 minute cooldown and we are all set.
In a sense this is a 2nd Sentinel, with a slightly longer duration, a somewhat longer recast, and the drawback of being utterly useless for the duration... The epitome of a "Turtle Technique".

Hold the Line would be ridiculously powerful.
*shakes his head*

Originally Posted by Lucke

If WARs are getting a boost to their mitigation, I only think it's fair that PLD get a boost to AoE tanking capability. Increase enmity gained from flash by 200-300% and introduce a new ability called "Hold the Line". For it's 20 second duration, block all attacks and take half damage from everything. You're rooted in place and you can't attack, so before popping this ability, make sure you have good aggro.

And since we're blurring the line between PLD and WAR, let's just merge the two jobs into a Warridin. Yeah! A job that has excellent AoE threat ability plus the best mitigation in the game. I'd play that.

Assuming this isn't a troll, Warriors are getting a buff to be on par with Paladin.

None. The upcoming buff for WARS are so that they can be in pair with you PALA cry babies. *Ohhh look war is getting bbbbuuuuff and I have to share the spotlight*