So, what do PALADINS get in 2.1?

**Sin_Nombre** · 11-22-2013 02:15 AM

Those warrior changes are pretty sick if they go through. What about Paladins? What are we going to get? If we're unchanged, I'm easily going back to my warrior... the only real thing I'll lose is my silence and stun spam - but a monk or bard can silence for me and I can't spam stun anyway since mobs resist so much; a 20 second cd should be fine.

**PArcher** · 11-22-2013 02:19 AM

PAL really don't need a buff...maybe an ability or two needs to be fixed, but no buffs are necessary at all.

Learn to share with your WAR brethren.

**Zirael_Foxfire** · 11-23-2013 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by PArcher

PAL really don't need a buff...maybe an ability or two needs to be fixed, but no buffs are necessary at all.

Learn to share with your WAR brethren.

Defence wise PLD doesn't need a boost, but WAR is better DPS than PLD and thus will be preferred tank from now on. It was just the same in 1.0 - WAR was tank of choice.
PLD needs DPS bump to match WAR.

**louispv** · 11-23-2013 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

Defence wise PLD doesn't need a boost, but WAR is better DPS than PLD and thus will be preferred tank from now on. It was just the same in 1.0 - WAR was tank of choice.
PLD needs DPS bump to match WAR.

PLD will still be tanking everything and no one will allow WAR to tank anything even after these changes. WAR will have vengeance, storm's path and inner beast. PLD will have everything PLD already had, plus storm's path and inner beast. Storm's path and inner beast are lowering the damage the enemy does not the damage the WAR takes.

We just won't see 2 healer/1 tank/5 dd's anymore, we'll see 2 healer/WAR/PLD/4 DD groups. Or maybe 1 healer/PLD/WAR/ 5 DD. PLD got almost all the buffs WAR got.

**Phreak** · 11-23-2013 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by louispv

PLD already had, plus storm's path and inner beast. Storm's path and inner beast are lowering the damage the enemy does

We just won't see 2 healer/1 tank/5 dd's anymore, we'll see 2 healer/WAR/PLD/4 DD groups. Or maybe 1 healer/PLD/WAR/ 5 DD. PLD got almost all the buffs WAR got.

Inner Beast
- Due to overall balance changes, HP absorbed by damage dealt will be reduced from 300% to 100%
- Damage taken will be reduced by 20% for 6 seconds.

read much?

**mythicrose** · 11-23-2013 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Krystalynn

Toss some of that damage our way. Shield's really damn heavy when you're sitting 'offtanking' in a role you're used to swinging a bloody axe at. You want the main tank role, and leave us with diddly. Why the hell would anyone want a Paladin in the group sitting on Titan's ass, or any other boss when the dps race begins? Need two tanks for the encounter? Great? DPS phase?

You're better off forming a group without dual tanks. Besides, the sword oath paladin and non-defiance stance warrior have similar dps. Take a gander at Kitru (among others) that have done the math on it.

Someone explain to me why a Warrior isn't sitting in my spot. Seriously. Even I feel fucking ASHAMED when I'm in a dps slot I know can be filled by someone truly qualified. When I know a Warrior could do the role SO much better. But you're tanking the boss, and I'm wailing away on a mob with half my abilities uselessly sitting and waiting on a shield that never comes into effect because I have one role, and you have two and you leave Paladins with none.

Again....there's not much difference in the dps capabilities of evenly geared paladins and warriors. The only abilities you are really "wasting" are the defensive ones (unless you feel the need to use one for a tumult, weight, bomb as you're referencing Titan) and shield swipe. Otherwise you are spamming halone combo, FoF on cooldown, and CoS/SW and cooldown just like you would be tanking.

The only reason one would take a Paladin in that role is charity and pity, and just to 'be nice'~ which should be depressing. I'm sorry, but it really irks me that I know I'm going into a raid, and even if nobody says a word, I am mechanically hurting their chances to win if I'm not taking hits. No Paladin who gives a shit should be comfortable with this. That's not why we became tanks. It goes against everything in our nature to want our very presence to hurt our teammates.

Many warriors also felt they were being taken as "charity" or out of "pity" because a second paladin (especially for coil) couldn't be found. Can warriors clear titan, coil, etc right now? Sure...but only by stressing healers more than having a paladin/paladin group. There are some videos of a solo paladin tanking Coil. Currently that is not possible with warriors. I doubt it is possible even after the 2.1. buffs.

I would tell you I'm sorry you feel your paladin will be second rate in 2.1, but I'm not (mostly because you come across as someone that could care less that warriors are in the very spot you are afraid of landing in). Paladins will still have the edge over warrior tanks in survivablity. The gap, howerver, will hopefully shrink enough that warriors will no longer be getting a "charity" or "pity" spot.

**Codek** · 11-22-2013 02:23 AM

Immunity towards the NERF bat.

**Kaonis** · 11-22-2013 02:37 AM

The only thing I'd like to see if PLD being more useful as an OT as I've never felt so useless then when I OT a fight that doesn't require me to tank something that hits hard at some point. Also I think just giving PLD more to do, it's the most boring tank I've played to date, just spam 1 combo, hit 1 button for aoe threat, and occasionally pop a cool down. I'd really like for them to make using the conjurer spells worthwhile to have, especially cure. It's saddening looking at that huge MP pool and knowing it's only ever going to get used to spam flash.

**Churchill** · 11-22-2013 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Kaonis

The only thing I'd like to see if PLD being more useful as an OT as I've never felt so useless then when I OT a fight that doesn't require me to tank something that hits hard at some point. Also I think just giving PLD more to do, it's the most boring tank I've played to date, just spam 1 combo, hit 1 button for aoe threat, and occasionally pop a cool down. I'd really like for them to make using the conjurer spells worthwhile to have, especially cure. It's saddening looking at that huge MP pool and knowing it's only ever going to get used to spam flash.

Why? Paladin off-tank in DPS spec gear does a ridiculous amount of damage and you have Shield Oath to fall back on if you have adds to tank (though, not really even necessary then)

**Fyreus** · 11-23-2013 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Churchill

Why? Paladin off-tank in DPS spec gear does a ridiculous amount of damage and you have Shield Oath to fall back on if you have adds to tank (though, not really even necessary then)

The problem with PLD off tanking is the only 'dps combo' we have is Fast Blade > Riot Blade because if we use our main combo, in Sword Oath, we'll be main tanking in a matter of moments. If they found a way to make the excess MP worthwhile (maybe a Enspell that drains mp or decent healing/Holy damage) then we'll still offer 'nothing to do' as an off tank as opposed to WAR.

*edit* it's also impossible to jump into dps spec gear mid fight and you never know what'll happen to the MT, so jumping into dps gear would seem moot imho.

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