Thread: So, what do PALADINS get in 2.1?

Originally Posted by Fyreus

*edit* it's also impossible to jump into dps spec gear mid fight and you never know what'll happen to the MT, so jumping into dps gear would seem moot imho.

lol that would be awesome if we can have a on-the-fly macro that swaps out all our gear for DPS when we switch to sword oath, and back to tank gear when switching to shield oath.

Anywho, yeah i agree with OT using only FB>RB combo on sword oath. In GarudaHM, I typically have to wait to start attacking or throttle my dps down in order to use our main tank combo. Iv pulled Garuda off a Shield Oath MT many times before, it only takes small stat differences in gear to determine who will pull more aggro. Same goes with TitanHM and its a pain as I see my aggro meter jump when i shouldn't be building that much aggro in the first place.

Originally Posted by Fyreus

The problem with PLD off tanking is the only 'dps combo' we have is Fast Blade > Riot Blade because if we use our main combo, in Sword Oath, we'll be main tanking in a matter of moments. If they found a way to make the excess MP worthwhile (maybe a Enspell that drains mp or decent healing/Holy damage) then we'll still offer 'nothing to do' as an off tank as opposed to WAR.

*edit* it's also impossible to jump into dps spec gear mid fight and you never know what'll happen to the MT, so jumping into dps gear would seem moot imho.

There's something interesting. Get rid of our terrible cooldowns that are essentially useless and replace it with a damage buff that drains MP while active. Also make sword oath reduce enmity gained so we can use more than a couple of buttons.

Originally Posted by Dedayius

There's something interesting. Get rid of our terrible cooldowns that are essentially useless and replace it with a damage buff that drains MP while active. Also make sword oath reduce enmity gained so we can use more than a couple of buttons.

...or even, shudder the thought, make Shield Oath actually give us +aggro, as advertised.

Originally Posted by Fyreus

The problem with PLD off tanking is the only 'dps combo' we have is Fast Blade > Riot Blade because if we use our main combo, in Sword Oath, we'll be main tanking in a matter of moments. If they found a way to make the excess MP worthwhile (maybe a Enspell that drains mp or decent healing/Holy damage) then we'll still offer 'nothing to do' as an off tank as opposed to WAR.

*edit* it's also impossible to jump into dps spec gear mid fight and you never know what'll happen to the MT, so jumping into dps gear would seem moot imho.

Well, personally I know what will happen to the main tank every run. He'll manage CDs properly and healers will pre-cast heals properly or we will start the run over until people stop fucking up.

Our Paladin offtank never pulls hate from me, runs DPS accessories the entire time while in Sword Oath outside of when he needs the -20% mitigation, pulling hate is never an issue.

The extra 200DPS is very welcomed though.

Originally Posted by Dedayius

There's something interesting. Get rid of our terrible cooldowns that are essentially useless and replace it with a damage buff that drains MP while active. Also make sword oath reduce enmity gained so we can use more than a couple of buttons.

Why would you want your highest enmity producing Oath to reduce enmity? lol.

Originally Posted by Churchill

Why would you want your highest enmity producing Oath to reduce enmity? lol.

wut? sword oath isn't suppose to generate enmity, shield oath does. Unfortunately both oaths produce enmity, making the enmity Bonus on Shield Oath seems like its slightly broken.

I hope it's something that makes the class more interesting. A second full combo would be nice giving us more to do than just 1-2-3. I'd also like to see them eliminate some cooldowns (particularly the useless ones) and turn them into attacks that could be put at the end of either of the combos for different effects, and look at doing the same for War. This would allow for a lot more skill and interactivity for the player and make the class more interesting overall.

Cookies and a hot chocolate and maybe a pat on the head to stop all that whining.

Enjoy an overpowered tanking class since release.

See other tank is being buffed up to meet the broken standards of paladins.

Complain and seek more buffs.

Logic on these forums, it doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by wonka11

Enjoy an overpowered tanking class since release.

See other tank is being buffed up to meet the broken standards of paladins.

Complain and seek more buffs.

Logic on these forums, it doesn't exist.

^^^^^This, this, and this. Its funny that these buffs will bring warriors up to par with plds but yet, every pld on the forums wanting a buff to keep wars on the sidelines and left out.

Originally Posted by wonka11

Enjoy an overpowered tanking class since release.

See other tank is being buffed up to meet the broken standards of paladins.

Complain and seek more buffs.

Logic on these forums, it doesn't exist.

I think for some people at least (definitely not everyone) it's less a call for a buff and more a call for a change. PLD I find extremely boring because it's such a simple job. I even refer to it as "easy mode tank" because you don't really have anything to do. The job needs some tweaks to make it a little more engaging then spamming 1 combo infinitely for DPS/threat/debuff then hit a cool down from time to time.