DRGs need a silence too!

[Akirakogami]

If only your role was straight-up DPS like mine is...you'd have an argument then. No, you're needed thanks to your utility; if anything, your DPS probably should fall more so that people will take other DPS on raids rather than stack BRD.

And yes, I know you don't need double BRD in Coil, just like you don't need double PAL...just makes things easier in certain situations.

If two bards are ideal for coil what are the other two DPS slots given to?

[Leon_Stormrage]

Lol, its hard to say who is mediocre and who is not when groups don't give even Allagan-equipped DRG a chance.

Until BRD gets a nerf, it doesn't make sense to take a positional into certain fights when you can bring double BRD and make it easier.

And I would love to see you try to get into groups as a DRG...if you even bother to level it for BFB (yeah...no BFB on you? That's just...wow...)

I don't want to fight, and I am not saying that the dragoons have bad Dps, I said it a few post before: we always run with one dragoon because his damage is so great! The fact that some people don't know how to play as dragoon is true but some other do it great, the difference is that if you aren't so good as bard it is not noticeable because is easier and for this reason we have less damage.
Also I don't have BFB and I am not going to have it till 2.1 because probably SE is going to remove dragoon of the bard cross class and I really didn't enjoy playing as dragoon

Also the way that you want to solve the issue is the worst about all the dragoon post in the forums "we want a spot so remove the bards of the game"
When the real problem are the fight mechanics

[Akirakogami]

Can you follow me on this one?

If bard damage gets nerfed, then dragoon will be less useful as well because the piercing damage debuff will be less meaningful.

[ChaozK]

I think if they really wanted to give DRGs a bit of utility, they could give them a skill to sacrifice their MP to give it to someone else. It always struck me as odd that DRGs have a somewhat high MP pool yet not a single way to use it.

I think such a skill could open up some new team synergies. On one hand you would have a second class to dabble into MP support to ease up a bit on on the high demand on BRDs and on the other hand it would synergize extremely well with BRDs themselves - let them sing requiem to buff the mages and when the group runs low on MP pop DRGs regen on the BRD so he can sing Ballad (which would also refill the DRGs pool for another use). Just an idea.

[Akirakogami]

I don't want to fight, and I am not saying that the dragoons have bad Dps, I said it a few post before: we always run with one dragoon because his damage is so great! The fact that some people don't know how to play as dragoon is true but some other do it great, the difference is that if you aren't so good as bard it is not noticeable because is easier and for this reason we have less damage.
Also I don't have BFB and I am not going to have it till 2.1 because probably SE is going to remove dragoon of the bard cross class and I really didn't enjoy playing as dragoon

Also the way that you want to solve the issue is the worst about all the dragoon post in the forums "we want a spot so remove the bards of the game"
When the real problem are the fight mechanics

Funny part is, with bards out of the game people will just use blm and smn. If ff14 is like any other MMO. they won't stop untill Mages are the undisputed BEST all around class.

[Leon_Stormrage]

Funny part is, with bards out of the game people will just use blm and smn. If ff14 is like any other MMO. they won't stop untill Mages are the undisputed BEST all around class.

Other thing that they don't think is that the content is designed to run it with one bard despite that it can be done with 0. If you need the bard you will have to lost one dps spot only to carry a battery :S

[killergerms]

Personally i think dragoons damage are fine and if you know how to "use" a dragoon well your damage will be very nice. Its those people who don't know how to use a dragoon. Personally if your having trouble as a dragoon to find a coil group do not pug one, just find a fc who is looking for a melee dps honestly it shouldn't be that hard, and some groups use two bards but im sure alot of groups dont. I love my dragoon and he is great the way he is now, i also don't feel bards should be nerfed.

[Bardo]

if anything, your DPS probably should fall more so that people will take other DPS on raids rather than stack BRD.

And yes, I know you don't need double BRD in Coil, just like you don't need double PAL...just makes things easier in certain situations.

The ONLY reason where double Bard makes anything easier is on ADS. That has NOTHING to do with DPS.

Yoshi P. - We’ll be making adjustments to recast times for lancer and dragoon, reducing the time in which movement is locked after jumping, and improving the area where dragoons land after jumping. Overall they will be receiving a 10% DPS boost.

So DRG is now going to be 30%+ ahead of Bard even before any Bard nerfs come into effect.
At endgame, that's over 60 DPS. Are you SERIOUSLY going to tell me that 60+ DPS (and don't forget about your dps Limit break, which Bards don't get) isn't enough to balance out Ballad?
Come on now.

Yoshi P. - We have made adjustments to certain cross class actions that the bards can set.
So it sounds like they're not going to nerf mobility, but we'll probably lose access to Blood 4 Blood, meaning DRG will probably have closer to a 35% dps lead. : /

[matic]

Bard and DRG don't even compete for dps spots; no one is bringing BRD to coil for DPS, so its not really an issue. It's MNK that is currently the clear choice for melee dps, and MNK is also getting buffed now, so it'll still be ahead of DRG come 2.1. It also has a -INT debuff on the mob to further cement its role as most desired melee. No one really gives 2 fucks about disembowel bonus from what i've experienced.

[Bardo]

It's MNK that is currently the clear choice for melee dps, and MNK is also getting buffed now, so it'll still be ahead of DRG come 2.1.

Not necessarily. If they nerf un-traited Blood 4 Blood, then that will be a slight dps nerf for MNK as well.
We'll just have to see what the changes are for Greased Lightning, the positional bonus, and what they end up doing to Bard cross class skills.