Thread: Balance analysis of 2.1 WAR proposed changes

Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

Examining both jobs they're pretty much on par as both take CC abilities from one another and none of the respective changes actually affect the CC abilities.

Now that Wraith stacks are more usable WAR will have a bit more flexibility damage wise, however this will have a double edged effect. Mainly you can use Unchained and not have that mitigation or use IB and not have that extra damage output forcing you to be a bit more decisive.
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I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree here. Yes they do have some shared CC skills, however I feel that the ones that WAR gets from PLD are more useful overall, not to mention that the CC abilities from PGL are also more useful in combat than the ones from CNJ, at least imo. WAR get 10 CC, PLD get 9. For WAR 2 of 10 are attack abilities that will most likely not get used, for PLD 3 of 9 are these type of attack abilities. The PGL CC skills for WAR are mainly buffs that can provide more potential damage or more survivability via better heals, while the CNJ CC skills for PLD are good for solo but not useful in a group except maybe stoneskin.

This doesn't seem equal to me.

Also, in my experience WAR already had a bit of an edge damage wise against PLD and now with wrath being more useable attacks like Inner Beast could potentially be used more since the Healing buff isn't reliant on keeping wrath stacks. This could potentially increase their damage output, so what was already a marginal leg up could become more noticeable.

This again doesn't seem equal to me.

I am all for the classes being equally viable and equally good at main tanking, off-tanking, whatever, but you can't make them equal in one aspect and ignore the rest. Equality should be throughout to truly be equal.

There isn't that much difference in damage.

Nice breakdown, and bump for all the QQing in other threads.

Finally someone with a brain... maybe its time for us to have fun in the sun like the other tanks.

Great job gamemako. I hope more people read this and get a real understanding of the changes. Right now it seems like alot of knee jerk reactions.

Gamemako, since you seem to have everything in a simulation-esque spreadsheet format, perhaps you could construct another situational chart for me...

Basically, if we assume that Twintania's Death Sentence is every 30s, and hits for about... 5k unmitigated, for example, and has regular autoattacks that hit for 1.5k unmitigated (feel free to step in if you have more accurate damage numbers), then what does the long term (7 minutes) mitigation look like for PLD and WAR under the following methodology...

PLD uses Rampart, Sentinel, or Hallowed Ground in that order, as available, a few seconds before each Death Sentence, and no other cooldowns during autoattacks.
WAR uses Vengeance or IB as available, a few seconds before each Death Sentence, such that when Vengeance will not be available, the WAR will save Wrath stacks for IB for the coming Death Sentence.

Hope that made sense. =)
Basically on Twintania, the biggest single source of damage is Death Sentence. So if both tanks selectively use their mitigation CD's to reduce the effect/danger of Death Sentence, who comes out ahead?

Originally Posted by ExarKun007

There isn't that much difference in damage.

Hi Exxar!


Nice analysis, Gamemako. I always enjoy looking at your posts and Kitru in here (and EasymodeX posts in the dps forums).

You Sir are a genius