Warnings of bannable offenses (Can I have it?)

[Honz]

As far as leves go for SP. SE has already hinted they're making changes to the leves in patch 1.18. Most likely we're going to see a leve SP nerf and people won't be failing leves anymore just for the SP. Let the people who want to fail leves for SP do so, soon they might not be able to do anymore.

[Jibe]

You can feel this way and you can tell SE how you feel. That's fine.

I can disagree and tell SE how I feel.

The problem lies in trying to make players feel bad about doing something the developers intended and accounted for and falls within the confines of the allowed game mechanics. That crosses a line. It's not cheating. It's not exploiting. It's using the system the way it was intended to maximize your play style and preferences (SP over Gil/Faction). So you can disagree that it should work that way, but there's no need for His Majesty to verbal grief people on a forum for not adhering to his strict code of douchebaggery.

No offense to you, sir. I'm just drawing a distinction.

If that is SE way of giving players choices of a reward, than it is a slipshod and lazy way to do it. Why not let the player pick at the end of the leve than? You could either choose faction points and gil, or some bonus SP, but not both. That seems a much better way to do it to me anyways.

The only thing I'm against is the fact we have to intentionally fail something to get a desired reward. Games are supposed to be about completion, not failing things. All just my opinion of course.

[Shai]

As far as leves go for SP. SE has already hinted they're making changes to the leves in patch 1.18. Most likely we're going to see a leve SP nerf and people won't be failing leves anymore just for the SP. Let the people who want to fail leves for SP do so, soon they might not be able to do anymore.

Well unless they add some reason to DO leves, I won't be doing them anymore either.

I don't amass pointless invisible currencies for no reason.
I can make as much gil (if not more) in as much time.
Faction points are completely pointless to me since February.

If I can't get good SP doing leves, I just won't be doing them. That's not meant to be a threat as much as it is a fact. It's the only thing I use regional leves for - aside from the occasional guild marks.

[LateReg]

and if you dont you gotta wait twice as long or even longer
its a huge tradeoff

Oh, for sure. The difference is actually even bigger than double. If you have a cancel rotation of Dunes, Ranine, Cracked, Levin, Adamantine, Corpus, Devilet Inside, or moons (minus 1~2 of those as space for whatever leves you want for marks/credits) you're averaging about 50 credits for Azeyma and Brotherhood weekly. That's almost 2 months before you can run the NM tiers, and 4 months if you've yet to do the 1st and 2nd stages.

Quite a far trade off to those complaining about unfairness, since any given NM drop still ranges from about 4M~15M on my server. That goes for lolitems like Harle Belt too.

inb4: "lol gil is useless" excuse. anyone who's leveled GSM, BSM, and TAN (or even any combination of crafts) knows that gil can be quite rough in this game.

[Jibe]

Oh, for sure. The difference is actually even bigger than double. If you have a cancel rotation of Dunes, Ranine, Cracked, Levin, Adamantine, Corpus, Devilet Inside, or moons (minus 1~2 of those as space for whatever leves you want for marks/credits) you're averaging about 50 credits for Azeyma and Brotherhood weekly. That's almost 2 months before you can run the NM tiers, and 4 months if you've yet to do the 1st and 2nd stages.

Quite a far trade off to those complaining about unfairness, since any given NM drop still ranges from about 4M~15M on my server. That goes for lolitems like Harle Belt too.

inb4: "lol gil is useless" excuse. anyone who's leveled GSM, BSM, and TAN (or even any combination of crafts) knows that gil can be quite rough in this game.

I don't think anyone is claiming unfairness. I think most of the arguments against it, mine included, are that it is poor game design and a broken system. It may or may not be intended or a worthwhile tradeoff, but it remains something that, in my opinion, needs to be changed.

[TheVedis]

Oh, for sure. The difference is actually even bigger than double. If you have a cancel rotation of Dunes, Ranine, Cracked, Levin, Adamantine, Corpus, Devilet Inside, or moons (minus 1~2 of those as space for whatever leves you want for marks/credits) you're averaging about 50 credits for Azeyma and Brotherhood weekly. That's almost 2 months before you can run the NM tiers, and 4 months if you've yet to do the 1st and 2nd stages.

Quite a far trade off to those complaining about unfairness, since any given NM drop still ranges from about 4M~15M on my server. That goes for lolitems like Harle Belt too.

inb4: "lol gil is useless" excuse. anyone who's leveled GSM, BSM, and TAN (or even any combination of crafts) knows that gil can be quite rough in this game.

yeah those crafts are definately expensive to level
not so much BSM if you mine the silver(not that hard to do) but LW and GS are definately alot rougher to do all on your own without buying mats

yes we could farm it all, but that takes longer

its a use for our gil, so we dont have to farm, which in general is what gil is for in MOST mmos, so you dont gotta farm for what you want