Warnings of bannable offenses (Can I have it?)

[Peregrine]

No I'm actually the one who reports exploits and unintended game design when I see it instead of cashing in on it like you just found a wallet on the street.

I'm the reason you aren't selling bone fish hooks for infinite gil loops with your "not-a-bot" character. Within 40 hours of reporting it. Poof. Gone. Before the hustlers even found out about it. WHOOPS my bad! Guess how much gil I made off it before reporting it!

None.

If everyone played like me, which is focus on the spirit of the game and not the terms of the conditions, we wouldn't be having this discussion. There wouldn't be hustlers and ballers anally looking for angles and spins. We'd all be able to tell the difference between unintended gameplay and designed diversity.

Just stop being that kind of player that fritters around looking for an unlocked door, an unsealed lid, and a dropped wallet to play the game.

Spirit of the game dominates law. The only reason players who don't get that are tolerated is because most players aren't willing to play like weasels even if they know they could. Only a minority of the players are chronic weasellers.

[TheVedis]

No I'm actually the one who reports exploits and unintended game design when I see it instead of cashing in on it like you just found a wallet on the street.

I'm the reason you aren't selling bone fish hooks for infinite gil loops with your "not-a-bot" character. Within 40 hours of reporting it. Poof. Gone. Before the hustlers even found out about it. WHOOPS my bad! Guess how much gil I made off it before reporting it!

None.

If everyone played like me, which is focus on the spirit of the game and not the terms of the conditions, we wouldn't be having this discussion. There wouldn't be hustlers and ballers anally looking for angles and spins. We'd all be able to tell the difference between unintended gameplay and designed diversity.

Just stop being that kind of player that fritters around looking for an unlocked door, an unsealed lid, and a dropped wallet to play the game.

Spirit of the game dominates law. The only reason players who don't get that are tolerated is because most players aren't willing to play like weasels even if they know they could. Only a minority of the players are chronic weasellers.

your not the only one reporting exploits all the time
you arent some high and mighter moral figure for anyone to care about

the leve failing is NOT an exploit, period, the devs have stated as much
just cuz you dont like it doesnt mean they should bend to your will now


the faction NM exploit was an exploit, i reported that one too
some of the fish hook/other thins like that i woulda reported too if i saw them(i didnt see them though)
im the guy who actualy goes and reports bots to the task force instead of complaining that the GMs dont do anything(and ive seen several banned as a result)

again, yes, exploits bad
but you are arguing from a moral, and not even a moral but an opinonated "i dont like people doint that" standpoint, not from a exploit standpoint at this time

[Peregrine]

Leve failing is against the spirit if the game, which is the point in having rules.
The only reason they allow you to fail is because they are fixing it and it's not worth slapping it.

There is no point in banning smoking when you can systematically push it to extinction without causing an acute fuss.

But it's still going away, and honestly some of you should stop anally focussing on finding and doing such things.

[Frisque]

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[Dargoth_Draconia]

I don't think any of them are worthy of receiving a ban, why? No for the first 2 and 3rd if the other people decide to leave the party for any reasons and you still get bonus from it it isn't your fault. They are the ones causing the exploit and you are reaping the benefits, so I guess it would make you look guilty. But I always thought if you linked and the person left the part the link went away? I guess not.

[Eldaena]

@Peregrine If it's any consolation for you, my friend and I did try to come up with an easy way that we could keep our all leves every reset so we could just save time and work together. We started to 'cancel' our leves a long time before other people did, but not only as a means to get ahead. It's just more fun when we are allowed to choose which leves we want to do together and not be forced by the randomness of what the leve counter has. The only thing that influenced us from others is some of the leves to start keeping due to better sp rewards.

We don't make alts to come with us just to link like several others do. We don't beg for full parties in order to run a leve twice. It's not necessarily 'bad' that they do this either, even if it's not something I like. It's legal. It's allowed in the game, whether it's widely accepted or not. My friend and I offer to do leves with people from our LS and they know which leves we usually do, then we do them together. That is why I do leves like this.

I bet it's hard for you to find people to do leves with since you typically will always have different kinds of leves. =(

[Peregrine]

I bet it's hard for you to find people to do leves with since you typically will always have different kinds of leves. =(

Not hard at all. Not only are there two or three pickup parties running at any level, 40, 35, or 30 that I look for, but the shell also is levelling their 2nd, 3rd, 4th job up. But it really doesn't matter. If you get 6-8 people to team up and see who has cracked, dunesfolk, ranine, and levinshower by sheer chance, you end up getting about 85% of the SP you would have gotten by failing all your leves anyway, considering fatigue buffers against anally collecting massive SP each rotation. Plus linking the stray terrible thirsts ends up making up even more of that difference, and doesn't take long at all.

It's not really worth the trouble and the imbreeding statics that leve failing creates. People just believe in the correctness of their own actions.

The community is actually doing the right thing. To get into a leve party, the requirements are reasonable: must have 1 cracked, ranine, dunesfolk, or levinshower the shout usually is. Math and chance takes care of the rest.

Leve failing is going away anyway. Even if it's legal, it's not wanted.

[Jibe]

Leve failing is going away anyway. Even if it's legal, it's not wanted.

I so agree with this. Leve failing as a way of life on my server was a huge factor in my leaving the game. Regardless of if SE says its legal or not, it goes against the spirit of any MMO. I'm still semi active on the forums, but I won't be returning to the game until leve failing is removed.

I'm with peregrine 100% on this. SE please take out leve failing. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's left the game because of it.

[Karvapeikko]

Leve cancel is currently biggest gil sink in the game and removing it would add several million gil to each server every reset. Guildleve rewards are getting changed to make completing them more desirable. Don't get me wrong, completing the quest should be the objective rather than intentional failing, but incentives are pretty weak atm.

[Shai]

SE has said you can cancel leves in order to maximize SP since you don't get a reward of gil or faction points. I think saying that pretty much implies they designed it to be that way. You can abandon to maintain the same leves, link the same leves and gain the same amount of SP every 36 hours. In fact, the 36 hours exists so you can't do this all day long! You have a good 3 hours then must wait a day and a half.

Where have they said "This is going away?"
Links or it didn't happen.

You make stuff up so hard to be right all the time.
You don't even know what you're talking about half the time.

You should concern yourself less with what others around you do for fun and go do whatever it is you do for fun. No one is twisting your arm to make you play like them so get off our sacks about it.