PUG/MNK Optimization

[EasymodeX]

He was referring to the general combination of "everything a Monk does". That said, True Strike is a DPS increase in most scenarios and is underrated. Personally I'm annoyed because I had to re-adjust my hotbars to stick it in there, and I need to practice using it more now :\.

[JuranDesiku]

You don't have to flank to get the blunt resistance debuff, its just a Opo Opo Form Debuff.

I'm Aware of that. I was talking about the damage bonus.

[JuranDesiku]

Insane damage potential of true strike? You must be confused on that one.

Love how you ignore my statement of "insane damage potential" followed by me mentioning the combination of the entire monk skillset, and chose to mention one ability just to make yourself feel special or derail my comment. Incase you were confused, i was talking about the insane damage potential of the entire skill set of monks when used PROPERLY. Most monks do not use their skillset properly. Also, ignoring the 5% crit chance on true strike from behind is just being plain old lazy.

[Rochetm]

Love how you ignore my statement of "insane damage potential" followed by me mentioning the combination of the entire monk skillset, and chose to mention one ability just to make yourself feel special or derail my comment. Incase you were confused, i was talking about the insane damage potential of the entire skill set of monks when used PROPERLY. Most monks do not use their skillset properly. Also, ignoring the 5% crit chance on true strike from behind is just being plain old lazy.

Sorry but 10 potency and 5% crit on any fight where there is a risk of losing 5% damage buff. So unless stacking the hell out of SS and/or the boss is being really nice and not hitting you with anything it is not going to work out.

[JuranDesiku]

Sorry but 10 potency and 5% crit on any fight where there is a risk of losing 5% damage buff. So unless stacking the hell out of SS and/or the boss is being really nice and not hitting you with anything it is not going to work out.

Can anyone translate? Maybe I'm a bit tired but, idk.

[enil]

Can anyone translate? Maybe I'm a bit tired but, idk.

If your speed-skill is not high enough (need below 2.0 GCD) your Twin Snakes buff will drop before you cast Twin Snakes again.
You lose 10% damage for x seconds and you lose 10% damage on every GCD used during those seconds + any auto attacks. It's a major dps loss even if one GCD and one autoattack go off during the period you do not have Twin Snakes buff online.

[JuranDesiku]

My twin snakes buff lasts enough for two rotations. Does that mean i have enough skill speed? By the time my last snap punch or demolish goes off depending on if i need to refresh my dots or not, twin snakes is right about to fall off. It clips nearly perfectly. Nearly being the keyword, but good enough.

[EasymodeX]

It's not necessary to get a 2.0 GCD to make True Strike a DPS increase*.

* Assuming you don't inject additional attacks like TOD/ID/FR in that Twin cycle and you don't disconnect from the boss for mechanics.

That's analysis done by idiots who don't understand the combat system / can't model competently.

[enil]

It's not necessary to get a 2.0 GCD to make True Strike a DPS increase*.

* Assuming you don't inject additional attacks like TOD/ID/FR in that Twin cycle and you don't disconnect from the boss for mechanics.

That's analysis done by idiots who don't understand the combat system / can't model competently.

Maybe you should show us instead of calling people idiots?
Assuming higher than 2.0GCD and using True Strikes you will have a total of 6GCD between Twin Snake applications (Twin - Coeurl - Opo - True Strike - Coeurl - Opo - Twin). Your twin snakes buff will drop off before your second Twin - meaning you lose 10% on Twin Snakes and any possible autoattacks/off gcd attacks you might apply. If somehow this is not the case can you explain why?

[EasymodeX]

1. True Strike is a minor DPS gain even if you drop the Twin buff on the subsequent Twin. I did the math in the other thread. It's pretty straightforward.

2. It's slightly more than a minor DPS gain if you have enough SS for the first Twin to buff the second.

3. It takes roughly +50SS (391SS) to do this, plus or minus your lag and how well you press buttons.


It does not take a 2.0 GCD. The buff from Twin applies after the attack executes. Attacks read buffs based on beginning of their execution. Hence the +/- 0.7 second animation/execution of the Twin Snakes attack provide a +/- 0.7s buffer.

As a result you only need a 2.08-ish GCD. More SS helps, but you only need in the neighborhood of +50. +70 or so works, +80, whatever. Nowhere near the purported 491SS (+150) that people claim.


The specific mechanics behind applying buffs and reading buffs is extremely obvious to anyone who plays a Monk and pays any attention to their GL stacks unless they FATE grinded 100% from 1-50.

If GL3 has 0.5 seconds left, you can press Snap Punch and the GL3 buff will actually drop off your bar before the Snap Punch completes its execution and re-applies GL3.