In Light of the WAR 2.1 Adjustments, Can We Expect Tweaks to PLD as Well? My Thoughts

[Steeled]

The problem in this whole "skill" wonderland is I can't think of a single scenario where the harder tank was the better tank for very long in the many mmo's I've played.

Anyone else?

DPS, it's easier, because you can give them procs. Tanks don't like procs because the class comes to depend on them and suddenly, fights end up hinging on procs. Procs for tanks need to be harmless if they don't happen like "Maim has a 20% chance to make your next overpower free.". If you raid an entire night and that never happens, no harm no foul, but if it was something like "Butcher's block has a 20% chance to slow the target", that starts to become something you want to see more, developers end up framing things with that in mind, etc.

WHM has procs, but whm seems to play in a model where they cast the cure they need to, mp be damned, and cast Cure IIs when Freecure happens to proc. WHM's procs can change the course of the fight if they're having mp troubles, but it's less likely, especially with ballad available.

[Luci_Snow]

[*]Tempered Will

- This skill is, by and large, useless. On a 180 second cooldown, it prevents knockback (but not all knockbacks! It doesn't work on Landslide, for instance) for 10 seconds and erases Heavy. There are a lot of issues with this ability. It's duration is too short and its cooldown too long to be of any strategic use against any enemy that actually uses a knockback/draw-in skill with any frequency that would warrant negation. The other issue is that there are all of three top-tier enemies that actually have a knockback/draw-in ability: Titan, where Landslide ignores Tempered Will anyway, Demon Wall, where you can only negate one Repel per encounter thanks to the cooldown, and the Clockwork Soldiers in Turn 4 of the Binding Coil of Bahamut, where 10 seconds of draw-in immunity makes a negligible difference in your quality of life.

You may want to include Turn 5 - Twintania's Divebomb phase on this list.

[Giantbane]

You may want to include Turn 5 - Twintania's Divebomb phase on this list.

Or include the fact that you can also prevent repel if you've got stoneskin slotted, save Tempered Will for the bees. Shouldn't need to use it more than once (either kill the wall or kill the bees before 2 phases are up). Wars can't do that.

[Marxam]

@Giantbane; I don't need to use any skill to avoid the wall repel I just use SE's servers. God knows how many times he cast repel only for me to stay in the same spot and continue fighting like nothing happened XD

[Illivatur]

Funny how that works isn't it? PLD were more or less content until WAR buffs were announced, and now the whole forum is flooded with PLD tears.

I was just thinking the same about Warriors constantly whining for the last 3 months. Now you gloat because we want more QoL and buggy abilities fixed? Your words have no weight to me.

[Obsidian]

You may want to include Turn 5 - Twintania's Divebomb phase on this list.

I thought about listing that but preventing the knockback from one Divebomb doesn't really strike me as particularly useful (I do it anyway just to say I used Tempered Will), and even if it were meaningful, one situation doesn't really mitigate the uselessness of the ability in the other 99% of your encounters.

I also don't understand the purpose of using Tempered Will when the Gnats spawn, but then again, it's been a while since I've seen the wall live long enough to spawn them anyway.

[Phreak]

Man some people are so thick in the fucking head, this isn't a QQ WAR is too strong thread it's a 'Hey! we have a few lack luster abilities that are just bloat to my skill bar, please fix'

[Maqaqa]

Man some people are so thick in the fucking head, this isn't a QQ WAR is too strong thread it's a 'Hey! we have a few lack luster abilities that are just bloat to my skill bar, please fix'

Nope, its a wall of text to hide this kneejerking reaction:

I fear that, in lieu of these (potential) enhancements to WAR, PLD will also require some adjustments to attain balance between the two, instead of the see-saw of dominance we currently see. Everyone wants WAR to be able to participate in all content, but WAR's participation should not come at the cost of PLD's exclusion (or any other class/job). We should not be striving to return to the Sixth Umbral Era of Warrior supremacy, just as PLD's iron grip on the Seventh Umbral Era should come to an end.

After three months of being OP if you want to ask for a buff at least have the decency to wait for 2.2 patch.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

WARs (supposedly) completely underpowered and useless for 3 months. What do they do?
They man the fuck up and take down the hardest content in the game.

PLDs become supposedly underpower for a day or 2 (not even in-game yet, just analysis). What do they do?
Bitch and whine and beg for buffs. Lol.

[Maqaqa]

Your sig is awesome! XD