Does SE not realise their game has no content?

[Astarica]

I don't get all the guys who basically say, "I enjoy paying for a bad game". Yes it's not my business to decide what your tastes are but you're responsible for the fact that MMORPG (and most games in general) continue to be super profitable while turning out seriously subpar products. Sure companies have a right to make as much money as they want, but that doesn't mean you should continue to support getting ripped off. FF14 is worth some money for being the least worst MMORPG currently available and I respect that, but in the long run it'd take more than 'well every other game out there is worse' for me to keep playing it.

[Welsper59]

I don't get all the guys who basically say, "I enjoy paying for a bad game". Yes it's not my business to decide what your tastes are but you're responsible for the fact that MMORPG (and most games in general) continue to be super profitable while turning out seriously subpar products. Sure companies have a right to make as much money as they want, but that doesn't mean you should continue to support getting ripped off. FF14 is worth some money for being the least worst MMORPG currently available and I respect that, but in the long run it'd take more than 'well every other game out there is worse' for me to keep playing it.

Good and bad is subjective. Name a good MMORPG that you actually believe is worth spending money on today. Name a movie too. A book perhaps. No matter what it is, someone will say (with total honesty) you're wrong, though you won't believe. You can say you like GTA, I can honestly say I don't. You can say CoD and BF games are the best of the FPS genre, I don't care for them. In fact, I have my own outlook towards those games, particularly popular FPS games, that they're just subpar or rehashed material. The only difference between you and I is that I don't throw obviously insulting statements when I'm being passive aggressive.

[Thunderz]

all 50's and got all the relics

coil and mining is all I got left to do

[Astarica]

I realize literally every MMORPG has its fanboys saying "This game has more stuff than any other game at launch". First, that statement can't even be true unless the amount of available content at launch in a MMORPG is ever increasing, and second, that doesn't even matter because your game is competing against MMORPG of today, not ten years ago. It'd be generous to call this game average in terms of content quantity and quality, but even while being generous, paying $15/month for 'average' in the hyper-competitive MMORPG market is grossly overpaying. For $15 a month you can get the dominant leader in content in absolute numbers, WoW, and you can make a good argument that it could be up there even qualitatively. Now content, believe it or not, isn't actually everything or nobody would ever quit WoW just to play something with 1/10th the total content compared to it. Hope and innovation is well worth spending money for, but hope can only keep you going for so long, which is why it's totally reasonable for fans to demand hope and innovation turns into something more concrete. And yes, 2.1 is supposed to deliver that hope, which is probably the only reason why this game haven't had the usual crash in population. Despite this game being thoroughly average overall, it does have a lot of hope which is something I don't see in other MMORPGs. Note that a game like WoW also has no hope. Unless you've been living in a cave, you know WoW is never going to change significantly from its formula, so you'd never play WoW on hope. But FF14 is different enough to sell on hope, as long as it delivers that hope in a timely manner.

[Alhanelem]

What if people have no interests in leveling other classes or crafts?

Not being interested is one thing, but pretending content doesn't exist because you're not interested in it doesn't mean there's "no content." "less content than an SP RPG" is also bull honkey. Let's time warp back to the Japanese launch of FFXI. (go ahead, reasearch it) It had less content than this game has now.

First, that statement can't even be true unless the amount of available content at launch in a MMORPG is ever increasing,

What is this I don't even? No, it can be true without your conditions. Different games have different amounts of content (though it's not a really easy thing to quantify). It hasn't been "ever increasing" throughout MMO history.

It'd be generous to call this game average in terms of content quantity and quality,

No. It is easily above average in both for a game in its launch version. Also, most people here aren't paying $15/m (at least, I hope they're not) when there are two ways to pay considerably less (3 if you count legacy). I've hardly seen more well crafted dungeons and zones in an MMO- FFXIV's environments are far more sophisticated than WoW's and most other MMOs even.

[Arriverderci]

Let's time warp back to the Japanese launch of FFXI. (go ahead, reasearch it) It had less content than this game has now.

Nah cos' comparing a 2000 game with a 2013 game is comical.

[Roaminggnome]

Actually what should be compared when comparing the starting content between to games is the amount of time spent creating the game. So if one game took 3 years to build and another 4 I would expect more out of the one that took 4 years as they had one extra year. What year it was created means nothing as it may take more time to do things do to people expecting greater graphics as computer are able to handle more and more.

Nah cos' comparing a 2000 game with a 2013 game is comical.

[Doo]

Actually what should be compared when comparing the starting content between to games is the amount of time spent creating the game.

More like compare it to newer mmos not something a decade old.

[Alhanelem]

Nah cos' comparing a 2000 game with a 2013 game is comical.

No more comical than comparing it to another 2013 game.

It's as valid a comparison as any. Games don't necessarily launch with more content now than they did then. Prettier content, different content, but not necessarily more or less.

More like compare it to newer mmos not something a decade old.

Age is irrelevant. There are games in every genre made 10 years ago that have just as much of a quantity of content as games made today. Even if you limit comparison to the last 2 years, I haven't seen a significant MMO launch with more content than FFXIV did.

I realize literally every MMORPG has its fanboys saying "This game has more stuff than any other game at launch".

This isn't a "fanboy" statement. It's a statement that can be legitimately true or false regardless of being a fan or not.

[Toystore]

Not being interested is one thing, but pretending content doesn't exist because you're not interested in it doesn't mean there's "no content." "less content than an SP RPG" is also bull honkey. Let's time warp back to the Japanese launch of FFXI. (go ahead, reasearch it) It had less content than this game has now.

Raiding players would consider that a stretch in terms of calling it content. You could make the case that any RPG always has more content, because your characters are not level 99 yet, your GP isn't maxed, you don't have 99 of every item, in the end these things are rather pointless, in the case of leveling alts and crafting classes, they won't help you at all to tackle the last challenges, the same way that if you can already beat the most difficult bosses in a regular RPG, maxing out all the 9's in the status screen is going to be a waste of time.