Titan HM Item Level Check Please Yoshi..!!

[Cryvil]

Cryvil,
Clearly, HM Titan is more of a difficult fight than the other two primals which would suggest better gear & more experience in game/dungeons overall to complete it. As it sits, any lvl 50 can que for it. It would be better experience for an un-experienced player to build their gear through other dungeon experience's, work to meet a required itemlvl check. By the time they reach a certain Item level to que for HM Titan, chances are they'll be better players over-all & not get flamed on as much in game.

A little clarity on my original post when I responded to Cryvil (the first response.... LOL), perhaps you should of read the rest of the thread? idk I underlined something to take note of? :P

It is MMO player logic that doing something like grinding WP and AK makes you "experienced" and a "better player." It's one of those aspects that makes the genre difficult to defend to outsiders...that these games are set up so that anyone willing to pour in 100 hours into some monotonous, routine task will become able to challenge subsequent content. That is, grinding WP and AK doesn't make you "better players."



Understanding how many abilities you can get off between Weight and Bombs...
As a DPS, understanding how to adjust your rotations around interruptions...
As a tank, recognizing when your healers are struggling and using your abilities accordingly.
As a healer, finding a rhythm to always get your tank topped off and protected at the right time without burning unnecessarily through mp..
These make for "better players."

Grinding AK and WP do NOTHING for this. Just monotonous repetition so you can watch some numbers go a bit higher and pretend that you've achieved something...the greatest shame of the genre.

This game clearly has gone to great efforts to fight this tendency. The power difference between item levels is smaller than I'm used to(admittedly, I've played mostly F2P games). Every subsequent instance in the end game introduces new gimmicks...forcing the players themselves to fully learn their characters and the game. This is a game where skill and strategy are far more important than item level. Such a rare gem amongst MMOs...Yet there's still going to be those people who need a game where they get a mindless repetitive option for progression.

Okay..time to draw this rant to a close. Just do me one favor, eh? In two weeks or so you'll start hollaring at people for not having an i90 wep in coil. Let's nip that in the bud, eh? Go to http://bluegarter.guildwork.com/ and scroll down to the part that says "All we can say is – that fight is tuned to absolute perfection with ilvl 80 weapons and ilvl 70 gear (and some Holy Shields +1)."

Okay, now reread that a few dozen times or however long it takes you to realize that you don't need a +1 relic or myth armor for coil. Hurray! Now we don't need to see a "Coil Item Level Check Please Yoshi!!" thread where it's explained that people should spend 6 weeks grinding myth tomes before they're even allowed into coil in the first place.

[Viridiana]

You don't need any DL gear to beat Titan HM. He's not tuned that tightly. So, to be clear, the strictest ilvl check I could see them implementing is average ilvl 60, and I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be in the 50-59 range. I'm a fresh 50 PLD, and I can easily reach that if I dropped a little money into it. That doesn't mean I should be tanking Titan, though. As for the assertion that ilvl somehow corresponds to skill level, I have to strongly disagree. I could go afk in CM to farm philosophy tomes until the cows come home. I'd end up with an ilvl 70 set, overgeared for anything shy of coil. Doesn't mean I know what I'm doing.

[YanDere]

I farmed Garuda HM with lv49 weapon, lv50 gear and lv28 accessories, got to Titan after a bit farming, with 2900 HP, Garuda and Ifrit weapon, a DL sash, and the rest was the same. Now I have a relic, nearly full DL but 2 AK pieces, and I can say Caduceus is easy as shit.
I understand someone might expect to be carried, but stop pointing the finger at the others and give everyone a possibility, maybe they can do it even badly undergeared.
Never heard of low level gamers? 122333 in FFXII? Something like that :3

[TirionCrey]

I farmed Garuda HM with lv49 weapon, lv50 gear and lv28 accessories, got to Titan after a bit farming, with 2900 HP, Garuda and Ifrit weapon, a DL sash, and the rest was the same. Now I have a relic, nearly full DL but 2 AK pieces, and I can say Caduceus is easy as shit.
I understand someone might expect to be carried, but stop pointing the finger at the others and give everyone a possibility, maybe they can do it even badly undergeared.
Never heard of low level gamers? 122333 in FFXII? Something like that :3

You might think you weren't "carried" and you prolly weren't carried in the sense of the word, but...other members in the group had to make up for your lack of equipment and that's a fact. You not seeing that makes you either ignorant, or selfish. You could be the best player in the world, if all of the PT members had your level of gear in the fight, there is a high chance you would have failed miserably.

[YanDere]

You might think you weren't "carried" and you prolly weren't carried in the sense of the word, but...other members in the group had to make up for your lack of equipment and that's a fact. You not seeing that makes you either ignorant, or selfish. You could be the best player in the world, if all of the PT members had your level of gear in the fight, there is a high chance you would have failed miserably.

With that gear I solo healed Ifrit in an average party (ilvl60/partial DL) and I had the best HPS against Garuda.
Aaand, I solo healed all the endgame dungeons.
I don't think solo healing can be "carried".

[AdamuKun322]

I'm in a mix of Hoplite and DL gear and I've made it pass Titan's Heart and it's during that final phase after the Heart where I've seen the most geared parties wipe. It's not a hard fight. Just have to learn how to dodge the bombs, landslide, and plumes.

[Cryvil]

I'm a fresh 50 PLD, and I can easily reach that if I dropped a little money into it. That doesn't mean I should be tanking Titan, though.

The only requirement for a Titan tank is that they know enough to not eat bombs and not get their fellow party members struck with a cleave. As long as the healer knows the fight, an AF-geared tank is fine. I'm much more annoyed with a tank who moves during bombs than I am over any gear issue.

Tanks! You can stand in the NE corner and not take any bomb damage ever! You never have to move from the beginning of the heart phase to the end. Please, get one of those drinking birds, set it over a key bound to Rage of Halone, and go afk. Spend some time with your kids, get to know your wife...Mr. Drinking Bird will be a far better tank than a player unfamiliar with the fight

[Estellios]

You could probably do it but you shouldn't skimp on your gear if you are tanking Titan where if their HP/Defense is too low they can be wiped out by a lucky crit + mountain buster or maybe a healer goes down when Titan is at 5% or something else happens. It is one thing to require being overgeared (which is idiotic) but seriously, there is no point to not come in at least slightly prepared as it will save everyone a lot of headaches. We can all fart out rainbows and sunshine about not requiring crazy gear but at the end of the day it will benefit everyone if you do your best to improve your gear beforehand.

You can run the content a ton of times waiting for the stars to align and you get that perfect run where you win, or you can get better gear and make your attempts much more consistent and prepare you for future challenges beyond Titan. Obviously do some runs here and there but people shouldn't stop improving their gear in preparation because each upgrade makes a win much more likely.

[PetiteMalFleur]

It just depends. If one dps queues "undergeared" it's perfectly fine as long as they can stay up and avoid bombs. You get multiple people queuing in their AF gear and a GC weapon and it's just impossible. For this reason they should implement iLevel checks for DF. A server made party should allow us to bring whoever we want.

I'm a little shocked someone would publicly express shame over helping a FC mate get their relic. I look forward to helping my FC members get theirs and am glad if I could save them the frustration of needlessly wiping over and over in random DF groups.

[Viridiana]

The only requirement for a Titan tank is that they know enough to not eat bombs and not get their fellow party members struck with a cleave. As long as the healer knows the fight, an AF-geared tank is fine. I'm much more annoyed with a tank who moves during bombs than I am over any gear issue.

Tanks! You can stand in the NE corner and not take any bomb damage ever! You never have to move from the beginning of the heart phase to the end. Please, get one of those drinking birds, set it over a key bound to Rage of Halone, and go afk. Spend some time with your kids, get to know your wife...Mr. Drinking Bird will be a far better tank than a player unfamiliar with the fight

Yeah. . .so, I queued for Titan the other night expecting to OT because I'm a little laggy. Got in only to find that the WAR had less hp than I did even with Defiance buff. I wound up splatting to an unlucky string shortly after the first set of bombs. . .