Titan HM Item Level Check Please Yoshi..!!

[Runalong]

I agree with the OP. Back in WoW they had to implement it because people were signing up for content such as heroics or raid expecting to be carried which wasted everyone's time. The same is happening in this game with players who can't be bothered making an effort to gear up signing up for content they aren't ready for in the hope that the rest of the group can carry them.

No doubt you can tank Titan HM without full DL but I didn't want to be a burden so I farmed for the gear and got the Ifrit weapon before attempting Titan HM. I made numerous attempts today and only one group had sufficient dps to do it and that was a server based one, not a DF one. All the DF groups I joined had poorly geared dps in who couldn't even take down the heart.

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I'd also like to add that based on my experience of playing MMO's players who don't bother gearing up before attempting content also tend to be the kind of players who don't bother finding out what tactics are for an encounter. They want the rewards without the effort.

[Viridiana]

I'm going to laugh so hard when the complaint threads start popping up about DRGs queuing for Titan using Toxotes gear because "it wouldn't let me queue until I equipped this."

[Sylari]

It seems a little absurd to be whining about people looking to be "carried" through the instance while simultaneously insisting everyone be extremely well geared before being allowed to queue for what amounts to entry level content.

[Jeykama]

What with main stats being hard-capped based on ilvl, I wonder if the Toxotes-on-a-Dragoon scenario would be circumvented by having a main-stat minimum rather than an ilvl minimum.

Like I'd have what, 380 int on my SMN with mostly 55-60 stuff, maybe I'd need 350 in order to queue for AK.

[Acalisan]

It seems a little absurd to be whining about people looking to be "carried" through the instance while simultaneously insisting everyone be extremely well geared before being allowed to queue for what amounts to entry level content.

Requiring people to have level 50 gear is now "extremely well geared"? I found it really ironic to read about the WHM earlier talking about having no problems healing Titan with 2900 HP because I just had the same situation happen a few days ago in a DF Titan party. Same class, almost exact same gear, and would you like to know what happened? She couldn't even make it past the heart phase. If you have played MMOs for a long time you should know that the vast majority of people that queue for DF are not just awful at video games, but they're also lazy. If the player base at large would like to see the DF succeed with regards to the Titan fight, a gear check is essential and it must be done right.

[YanDere]

If you're geared enough you CAN take a bomb that you lagged during and live. Or possibly a double plume. It's just a greater chance of success.

I was talking about other threads, where people would just reply "you're being carried"...
But yes, everything you said is correct, but I have two points:
1. I am totally aware of my skill and my limits, I have a gear that covers more than well my lacks, and in the last 10-15 runs of Titan HM I got hit by no avoidable attack, all this while lagging for 0.5-1 second;
2. No matter your gear, at level 50 you will always survive 1 WotL, and in order to survive 2 simultaneously you need nearly full ilvl90, so ilvl60 or ilvl70 is not so relevant in a matter of HP.
This is why I still play undergeared, and I know overgearing would make things easier, but as far as I can play well my role, I don't see the problem.

[YanDere]

what happened? She couldn't even make it past the heart phase. If you have played MMOs for a long time you should know that the vast majority of people that queue for DF are not just awful at video games, but they're also lazy. If the player base at large would like to see the DF succeed with regards to the Titan fight, a gear check is essential and it must be done right.

I agree with the ilvl check for instances, because most people are lazy as shit and they just want to get carried.
But I could heal properly Titan HM with 2900 HP because I knew the rotations and the strategy, I worked hard and succeeded.
The healer you got in your party maybe was at his/her first battle, or maybe he/she was just a bad player.
But remember never to point your finger at people, there are lots of undergeared good players, as well as overgeared noobs.
A full DLBLM insulted me for my gear against Titan and then walked off the cliff at the start of phase 2.

[Sylari]

Requiring people to have level 50 gear is now "extremely well geared"?

Expecting people to have level 50 gear is reasonable. Demanding everyone farm tomes for a few weeks and getting fully decked out (which is what people in this thread and in previous threads have been suggested) is when it gets silly.

I found it really ironic to read about the WHM earlier talking about having no problems healing Titan with 2900 HP because I just had the same situation happen a few days ago in a DF Titan party. Same class, almost exact same gear, and would you like to know what happened? She couldn't even make it past the heart phase.

Wonderful. You ran into a bad player. And? I can cherry pick examples too: My last HM Titan run had a 2700 HP monk in his class-quest gear and a mix of darklight and crafted white/green accessories and a Dragoon in full darklight with a smattering of myth and coil gear thrown in. The dragoon was the first person dead on every attempt and the monk never even took significant damage across the entire fight.

Maybe it's just me but every time I've wiped on Titan HM it's been a matter of someone making a mistake. Someone eats a bomb, someone gets landslided. Someone stands in the wrong spot on jump. Someone doesn't kill stones fast enough (or bursts the wrong stone during heart phase), not so much a matter of gear.

[YanDere]

The solution is really easy: go shouting in Mor Dhona and find a good group.
Today I wanted to get some Titan kills, so I put up a relic party in order to farm weapons, we downed him 2 times in a row without getting hit by any aoe, not even once.
If you have time to find good people, or if you don't have a relic (it makes things a lot easier, you know? XD), organize a good group shouting "exp p5 please" and you can do it. Maybe you'll wipe a few times, but you can do it.

[Runalong]

Having wiped again and again on Titan HM today (And yesterday, and the day before) I revised my opinion. The problem isn't so much gear but rather players not knowing how to play and there being insufficient dps to win the fight. I ran with a group today and most of the dps had DL gear but even then with five dps we only just managed to kill the heart in time.

Poor gear can be a factor but I'm learning that it's player ability that's the really makes or breaks a Titan HM group.