Thread: WAR 2.1 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by Gamemako

I have no idea what you think you're getting out of bashing a 20% damage reduction ability against nothing. You're not even gaining damage because the marginal returns are cut from your crit bonus. Quite frankly, you'd be an absolutely terrible player if you did that.

Step 1: Stack Skill Speed
Step 2: Tell WHM to get lost because Selene is better than they are
Step 3: Win

Originally Posted by Coramac

Step 1: Stack Skill Speed
Step 2: Tell WHM to get lost because Selene is better than they are
Step 3: Win

Doesn't skill speed have little to no effect currently?

Selene's a good option tho.

Originally Posted by Giantbane

Doesn't skill speed have little to no effect currently?

Selene's a good option tho.

Everything I've seen is 10 skill speed to .01 reduction. I can't say definitively, but based on HiirNoivr's earlier posts and how it looks like the mechanics work, the 30% will apply to the base value (2.5). This will put you at 1.75 GCD. Start stacking skill speed and you're going to likely end up with permanent (or close enough) damage reduction with Storm's Path and IB. You need two scholars I believe.

It's why this change is so huge. If you are going to max min, this change to Warriors has a significant impact to class composition of a raid.

Originally Posted by Coramac

Everything I've seen is 10 skill speed to .01 reduction. I can't say definitively, but based on HiirNoivr's earlier posts and how it looks like the mechanics work, the 30% will apply to the base value (2.5). This will put you at 1.75 GCD. Start stacking skill speed and you're going to likely end up with permanent (or close enough) damage reduction with Storm's Path and IB. You need two scholars I believe.

It's why this change is so huge. If you are going to max min, this change to Warriors has a significant impact to class composition of a raid.

this is kinda funny, u should probably check your numbers. A fully stacked BiS Monk with 3 stacks of grease lightning can push 2 gcd and that is about it. not to mention CDR is softcaped

Originally Posted by Gamemako

You can cut about 6% off your GCD if you stack it on every piece you have.



The 30% likely applies multiplicatively. To get 100% uptime, you'd need to fit 9 GCDs in 6 seconds, which is a GCD time of 0.667 seconds. Assuming 100% uptime on Fey Light, that's 0.952 per GCD base, which is... let's see... something to the tune of 1889 skill speed. So yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

No, you need a lot less. Storm's Path is going to last probably somewhere around 10 seconds. It'll be at least a 5% buff which puts the Warrior ahead of a Paladin for that duration. There's no reason to think that it would be multiplicative but regardless, you'd need 100-200 Skill Speed. Vmage is saying (I think) it's not a haste buff but a stat buff. I wouldn't be surprised if he's right, and that I should not have trusted Hiir's numbers. I asked Hiir Noivr how he got his GCD (~1.5) on his blog.

Originally Posted by Coramac

No, you need a lot less.

Storm's Path has nothing to do with this. It's an enemy damage debuff to compare to PLD's Rage of Halone debuff. If you want to compare total mitigation, then I'm going to have to start with that ~12% base advantage that PLD has without any abilities at all, just from blocking and Shield Oath over Defiance (post-buff).

From Doctor Mog's sheet in p3, skill speed reductions with Greased Lighting are multiplicative with skill speed bonuses. It is unlikely that Fey Light behaves differently. You get 0.01 GCD reduction per 10.5 points on average (10/11 alternating) starting with -0.01 at 342. Getting 1.5s GCD with WAR is totally impossible; you would need 712 skill speed. MNK stack 491 just to get to 2.00 at 3 GL stacks.

Originally Posted by Gamemako

Storm's Path has nothing to do with this. It's an enemy damage debuff to compare to PLD's Rage of Halone debuff. If you want to compare total mitigation, then I'm going to have to start with that ~12% base advantage that PLD has without any abilities at all, just from blocking and Shield Oath over Defiance (post-buff). From Doctor Mog's sheet in p3, skill speed reductions with Greased Lighting are multiplicative with skill speed bonuses. It is unlikely that Fey Light behaves differently. You get 0.01 GCD reduction per 10.5 points on average (10/11 alternating) starting with -0.01 at 342. Getting 1.5s GCD with WAR is totally impossible; you would need 712 skill speed. MNK stack 491 just to get to 2.00 at 3 GL stacks.

Blocking is an probability mechanic. You only bother with it for looking at long term efficiency or at high rates for burst damage probability.

Additionally, I'm pretty confident his spread sheet is wrong. He made the same careless error I made (or at least would be amazed to find out I hadn't) in prior post so I don't think he tested but rather assumed. He's multiplying by .85 for Greased Lightning where he should divide by 1.15. Listening to his video, it didn't sound like he tested this. I suppose it's correct, but that would be a huge anomaly for an MMO.