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    If anyone's curious why ReiszRie is so rustled the answer is on his lodestone: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1691309/

    Only myth gear, only coil exploration achievement from coil turn 1 (which you can get on the way to the boss). He doesn't want people catching up to him through his only means of gearing.

    If you want gear which will have exclusivity for longer than myth gear, run coil, anyone can run WP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephHalp View Post
    Only myth gear, only coil exploration achievement from coil turn 1 (which you can get on the way to the boss). He doesn't want people catching up to him through his only means of gearing.
    As long as he caps his weekly myth forever, no one will catch up to him. I still don't get why he's bothered by it, I would think only some hard core players running coil would be bothered by filthy casuals getting equivalent gear.

    He could be easily running Coil with that gear, I'm more than a month behind him and my group almost beat turn 4 last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudopsia View Post
    As long as he caps his weekly myth forever, no one will catch up to him. I still don't get why he's bothered by it, I would think only some hard core players running coil would be bothered by filthy casuals getting equivalent gear.

    He could be easily running Coil with that gear, I'm more than a month behind him and my group almost beat turn 4 last week.
    You can do turns 1-4 in full DL armour, it's far more about execution than anything else. Turn 5 however does have minimum HP requirements on the squishier classes due to fireball soaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudopsia View Post
    As long as he caps his weekly myth forever, no one will catch up to him. I still don't get why he's bothered by it, I would think only some hard core players running coil would be bothered by filthy casuals getting equivalent gear.

    He could be easily running Coil with that gear, I'm more than a month behind him and my group almost beat turn 4 last week.
    My opinions are not based on individual benefit, if it indeed is based on individual benefit, I'd have more to gain, considering that I have multiple classes I'd need to gear.

    Coil is not the ultimate goal for everyone, whether one has a desire to complete coil or otherwise is their way of playing the game, like I've mentioned before, Mythology gear currently serves to be a good alternative to Allagan gears and my argument here is that it should not be easily attainable, considering that its iLevel 90

    Casuals will eventually catch up as there are only 12 pieces of gear in total, so there is no such thing as "permanently" ahead.

    I'd appreciate if you guys stop making this into a straw-man's argument.
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    Last edited by ReiszRie; 11-21-2013 at 10:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiszRie View Post
    My opinions are not based on individual benefit, if it indeed is based on individual benefit, I'd have more to gain, considering that I have multiple classes I'd need to gear.

    Coil is not the ultimate goal for everyone, whether one has a desire to complete coil or otherwise is their way of playing the game, like I've mentioned before, Mythology gear currently serves to be a good alternative to Allagan gears and my argument here is that it should not be easily attainable, considering that its iLevel 90

    Casuals will eventually catch up as there are only 12 pieces of gear in total, so there is no such thing as "permanently" ahead.

    I'd appreciate if you guys stop making this into a straw-man's argument.
    But it still doesn't negatively affect you in anyway. If you play hardcore and enjoy it, then you'll keep up with content as it comes out and go through the long processes because that's what you like to do. I'm fairly hardcore and I'm fine with the effort.
    If you want to switch the casual, you always can. Take your time and enjoy other things, later on you can catch up because of these catch-up mechanisms.

    Just because it's easier for casuals later doesn't have anything to do with your efforts now.
    Be glad. Now you can say stuff like "I walked 15 miles to get groceries back in my day" and then complain about how everyone can get everywhere with their confounded improved public transportation and cars." If you get my analogy.

    I wouldn't mind having gear take as long as it did before to get. But making some casuals feel more accomplished faster, with their limited time does nothing to spit in my face.
    Get over it. The days of gaining a false sense of superiority from spending more time in the game are long gone.
    It's just two different playstyles and the game is accommodating both. You still get to accomplish things long before the rest. You can feel some pride in that.

    Last points
    1) They are technically not making it "easier", just less time consuming.
    2) Are we really talking about the prestige of tome/vendor gear? That only has to do with how long you've been playing. I don't mind time sinks, but they should never be used to dictate prestige. That's like those dumb leveling systems where you gain experience only from just being online.

    Coil is right there. Be in the top 10 fc's of your server to down turn 5. That's good prestige. That rank will never go away.
    Spending time doesn't mean anything if it's just trivial tome farming.
    If you feel pride in that, good. Keep doing it.
    But don't force everyone to obey your time sink hierarchy.
    It's not about them, it's about what you enjoy doing.
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    Last edited by Allyrion; 11-22-2013 at 04:55 AM.

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    Player ReiszRie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NephHalp View Post
    If anyone's curious why ReiszRie is so rustled the answer is on his lodestone: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1691309/

    Only myth gear, only coil exploration achievement from coil turn 1 (which you can get on the way to the boss). He doesn't want people catching up to him through his only means of gearing.

    If you want gear which will have exclusivity for longer than myth gear, run coil, anyone can run WP.
    ad hominem

    If my goals are selfish, I wouldn't be suggesting in my previous comments that if Mythology gears are made easier and faster to attain, Allagan gears should be buffed
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    Last edited by ReiszRie; 11-21-2013 at 10:39 AM.