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    warren-ragnarok's Avatar
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    part of the problem is most the healers that do that either dont know what enmity/agro is, or just plain lazy.....there is almost no reason at all for them to cast regen at the end or beginning of a fight. if they want to top you off, they should use cure or adloqium (idk if thats the right spell, but idc either) or let it automatically recover.
    me personally, when i do heal, i always top off the tank at the end of a fight and then pop swiftcast + stoneskin.....but im also not a lazy healer and normally dont pull much threat since i try to avoid overhealing, and just use stoneskin to help with mitigation too, and i usually use more than 4 buttons when healing in most fights, including trash mobs
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    Eiz Zvahk
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    Quote Originally Posted by warren-ragnarok View Post
    part of the problem is most the healers that do that either dont know what enmity/agro is, or just plain lazy.....[...] no reason at all for them to cast regen at the end or beginning of a fight.
    Part of the problem about people commenting without own experience is that their theories are very limited and simplistic.

    Some people playing healer roles have been playing healing roles since 8 years ago, back at the beginning of FFXI.
    Before every pull you used to re-buff all the party, specially the puller.
    Any action you've used to pull, even the fact of aggroing the mob, gave you far more hate than any ability casted before engage.
    And that makes sense, since there is no reason why a firefly could distinguish who is the healer in a party nor to argue which ability was casted 200 yalms far in another room.
    I say this because is not only about the regen thick, you can check how any buff on party (Prot, SS..) earns you hate, some times even bigger than a pulling-action.
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    Last edited by Eiz; 11-21-2013 at 06:24 AM.

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    Gandora's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eiz View Post
    please break it down for me so I can understand
    Lets say you do WP and you come across the 1st group of 3 mobs (2 Crows & 1 Tomberry.)
    Your tank will pull the toberry and aggro the birds. There is a big difference betwin both actions.

    Tomahawk/Shield lob will generate enough enmity for the tomberry to stay on the tank when he receive a cure/regen/stoneskin, while the 2 crows linking with the tomberry just aggroed and so have 0 enmity toward the tank.

    This being said, tank will lose the aggro which become enmity toward the healer because such as spell generate some enmity.

    This is why a PLD start aggroing groups then make enmity with his AoE & Flash, and WAR do the same with Flash & Overpower.

    Now the difference betwin WAR & PLD, its where healers get confused, a PLD AoE is a 360° attack alike Flash, Overpower is conal, forcing the WAR to put himself and the mobs in the right position in order to use it.

    I mentioned WP, with Big tomberrys roaming, we need to aggro & quickly run on a side to securise ourselve and the party, because as soon as we stop to use flash the DDs thinks "Oh yeah lets go its panties on the head fest!" and then its near impossible to move mobs/party.

    This is why it is annoying, you try to take the mobs, drive them somewhere safe & while we do that a healer pop his spell, force us to run back & forth, and while we do that the DDs doesn't think & start attacking randomly.

    The result? at best we lose 4 mins because someone(s) wanted to gain 3 secs, at worse full wipe because the healer die either by getting killed by the 2 remaining mobs, or by the Fat tomberry.

    And then what? "Hey tank you sucks, I know better then you because <insertanyrandombullshithere>" /ragequit. I just broke it down for you listing every step from a tank point of view.

    I am WAR so I fall in the category where I need to position myself and mobs for overpower, so you can imagin that I'm less inclined to take that kind of shit, because if one might tell me how to play my job, he should also know what are our responsibility depending the situations/places and what it take from other party members for us to perform at our best.

    Spoiler: Patience.
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    Last edited by Gandora; 11-21-2013 at 11:18 PM.