Casting regen before pull

[Gandora]

Once I asked a very well geared healer to stop doing it because of the pull & hate mechanics, his answer was "I'm sorry the tank I normaly play with doesn't sucks, we clear BCT4 in 30 mins so I know what i'm doing.."

I just loled at him & went out of the WP.

[Babylyn90]

Once I asked a very well geared healer to stop doing it because of the pull & hate mechanics, his answer was "I'm sorry the tank I normaly play with doesn't sucks, we clear BCT4 in 30 mins so I know what i'm doing.."

I don't understand responses like this, they drive me nuts. Wouldn't you want a run to go as smoothly as possible, especially when you PUG and run with groups of different skill level? If it means changing a regen to stoneskin, or not using regen during the pull, so what? You can't expect to use the EXACT same dynamics every PUG run, so responses like that are just stupid.

[Gandora]

I don't understand responses like this, they drive me nuts. Wouldn't you want a run to go as smoothly as possible, especially when you PUG and run with groups of different skill level? If it means changing a regen to stoneskin, or not using regen during the pull, so what? You can't expect to use the EXACT same dynamics every PUG run, so responses like that are just stupid.

Its like ppl who expect you to SR when using DF, both fall into the same category, even if its another subject.

[Rochetm]

Tell them to stop. Best they learn in WP/AK and not punish people in Coil by doing that.

Whm should never use Regen before a pull or when adds are going to be spawning soon... that is unless the whm wants to be tanking.

[PetiteMalFleur]

They don't realize it pulls threat. Seriously, read the healer forum to see how many players say regen is good to keep up on tank at all times in every instance and good to throw on all dps who take any damage. Those who know will politely correct them.

Ask them to not use any heals until you can get initial hate. Not saying anything only punishes the other people trying to get through the content with a smooth run.

[PetiteMalFleur]

About coil.... I had a WHM duo (they insisted rather than play their SCH) who kept throwing regen on the tank right before or at pull. Anyone who has tanked turn 2 knows how threat works. First mob I see her use regen at pull. I tell her not to do that again. Second mob Tank was good enough to grab back after it went straight for her. Tank takes 100 HP damage first hit and she was already precasting Cure II. Tank losses hate, she screams at him while ADS kills her and I solo heal the rest while SMN takes care of rez. Rinse, repeat every fight with multiple wipes even after we keep telling her how the mechanics work for WHM and hate.

Her response? SE needs to fix WHM. Ya. .. I'm playing WHM, have cleared turn 2, and not having a problem but it must be a fundamental issue that's broken in the game and not an intended mechanic we are meant to work with.

Some people don't care and think hate is 100% the tank's problem. If you try to teach them and they don't listen there is only so much you can do. But I'd rather say something than let the party blame the tank for something the WHM is doing.

[whiskeybravo]

Holy crap this happened 4 times in a row last night with different healers. I did say something to one of the them and he replied "I like a challenge".. I was like it's not a challenge for you its a challenge for the tank to pull aggro back, why make it unnecessarily more difficult for the tank, you're not even healing cuz I'm already at full health lol.. I debated letting him die

[Shmunkster]

As a Healer I never Regen my tank. Regen is my gift to DPS...Tank get Cure and CureII only....with Stoneskin love!
Maybe in a Boss battle a Regen...but now I think about it....I can't even remember casting Regen on my Tankie for loooooooong time.....

[Everdark]

As a Healer I never Regen my tank. Regen is my gift to DPS...Tank get Cure and CureII only....with Stoneskin love!
Maybe in a Boss battle a Regen...but now I think about it....I can't even remember casting Regen on my Tankie for loooooooong time.....

^ This. There is simply no reason for a tank to need a regen, and a dd that needs more than a regen is doing it wrong

[Ralemont]

As a Healer I never Regen my tank. Regen is my gift to DPS...Tank get Cure and CureII only....with Stoneskin love!
Maybe in a Boss battle a Regen...but now I think about it....I can't even remember casting Regen on my Tankie for loooooooong time.....

I'm not sure this is the best way to handle things. If you're counting on Regen to take care of DPS then you end up either 1) overhealing them or 2) leaving them at low HP and counting on Regen ticks to bring them back to full, which can be dangerous. Just use a few Cures or a Cure 2 on the DPS and cast Regen on the tank early (after Flash) and mid-fight, remembering not to reapply towards the end of fights. Using Cure 1 on DPS also brings the potential benefit of Freecure procs to use on the tank.

HoT spells are, by their very nature, optimized by using them on targets that are going to constantly not be at maximum HP, which means tanks. Obviously for fights where a DPS will end up tanking for a bit (I'm thinking situations like Garuda HM adds) it makes sense to use Regen provided you have time between Medica II/Medica spam.