Casting regen before pull

[Seaside8]

I've noticed that some healers cast regen on me before i pull, and that sometimes messes up my pull big time. But I am reluctant to tell the healer not to do that because idk if theres something im doing wrong or if the healer just shouldnt do that. can someone help?

[Leon_Stormrage]

The healer shouldn't do that, at least if he doesn't want to tank this pull haha
Also you should check your status and dismiss the regen buff before a pull because if it last from one pull to other and the mobs runs crazy to hit the healer will be your fault

[Elladie]

The healer shouldn't do that. But you can remove the Regen buff by clicking on it. If you continue to get it cast on you just before a pull, maybe politely mention that it causes the mobs to go straight for the WHM and that they are fine to cast it a few seconds into the fight, once you have hate established. They probably aren't aware of the problem

[Ebon_Drake]

If a healer casts regen on you before you pull... You smack them firmly on the nose, shout "BAD HEALER!! BAD!! NO!!" and you right click the buff to get rid of it..

If they learn quick, give them a treat by a light swat on the butt saying "good girl/boy!"

If they continue to disobey you, you rub their nose in it by waiting for their regen, running into the largest pack of mobs you can find (multiple packs are good) and then running back to them and dancing, or sitting, /pose is also acceptable.

[Phreak]

If a healer casts regen on you before you pull... You smack them firmly on the nose, shout "BAD HEALER!! BAD!! NO!!" and you right click the buff to get rid of it..

If they learn quick, give them a treat by a light swat on the butt saying "good girl/boy!"

If they continue to disobey you, you rub their nose in it by waiting for their regen, running into the largest pack of mobs you can find (multiple packs are good) and then running back to them and dancing, or sitting, /pose is also acceptable.

Straight from the Tanking 101 handbook.

[Zakalwe]

I've started noticing more of this from well-geared healers in wp/ak df runs. I now pay close attention to regens that need removal before pulls. Not just WHM. Scholar healbots will also often put them on, unbeknownst to to the scholar.

[Maqaqa]

Dont be reclutant <.<
I mean you arent telling them they are terribad, just asking to not cast regen before a pull.

[warren-ragnarok]

part of the problem is most the healers that do that either dont know what enmity/agro is, or just plain lazy.....there is almost no reason at all for them to cast regen at the end or beginning of a fight. if they want to top you off, they should use cure or adloqium (idk if thats the right spell, but idc either) or let it automatically recover.
me personally, when i do heal, i always top off the tank at the end of a fight and then pop swiftcast + stoneskin.....but im also not a lazy healer and normally dont pull much threat since i try to avoid overhealing, and just use stoneskin to help with mitigation too, and i usually use more than 4 buttons when healing in most fights, including trash mobs

[Eiz]

part of the problem is most the healers that do that either dont know what enmity/agro is, or just plain lazy.....[...] no reason at all for them to cast regen at the end or beginning of a fight.

Part of the problem about people commenting without own experience is that their theories are very limited and simplistic.

Some people playing healer roles have been playing healing roles since 8 years ago, back at the beginning of FFXI.
Before every pull you used to re-buff all the party, specially the puller.
Any action you've used to pull, even the fact of aggroing the mob, gave you far more hate than any ability casted before engage.
And that makes sense, since there is no reason why a firefly could distinguish who is the healer in a party nor to argue which ability was casted 200 yalms far in another room.
I say this because is not only about the regen thick, you can check how any buff on party (Prot, SS..) earns you hate, some times even bigger than a pulling-action.

[Gandora]

please break it down for me so I can understand

Lets say you do WP and you come across the 1st group of 3 mobs (2 Crows & 1 Tomberry.)
Your tank will pull the toberry and aggro the birds. There is a big difference betwin both actions.

Tomahawk/Shield lob will generate enough enmity for the tomberry to stay on the tank when he receive a cure/regen/stoneskin, while the 2 crows linking with the tomberry just aggroed and so have 0 enmity toward the tank.

This being said, tank will lose the aggro which become enmity toward the healer because such as spell generate some enmity.

This is why a PLD start aggroing groups then make enmity with his AoE & Flash, and WAR do the same with Flash & Overpower.

Now the difference betwin WAR & PLD, its where healers get confused, a PLD AoE is a 360° attack alike Flash, Overpower is conal, forcing the WAR to put himself and the mobs in the right position in order to use it.

I mentioned WP, with Big tomberrys roaming, we need to aggro & quickly run on a side to securise ourselve and the party, because as soon as we stop to use flash the DDs thinks "Oh yeah lets go its panties on the head fest!" and then its near impossible to move mobs/party.

This is why it is annoying, you try to take the mobs, drive them somewhere safe & while we do that a healer pop his spell, force us to run back & forth, and while we do that the DDs doesn't think & start attacking randomly.

The result? at best we lose 4 mins because someone(s) wanted to gain 3 secs, at worse full wipe because the healer die either by getting killed by the 2 remaining mobs, or by the Fat tomberry.

And then what? "Hey tank you sucks, I know better then you because <insertanyrandombullshithere>" /ragequit. I just broke it down for you listing every step from a tank point of view.

I am WAR so I fall in the category where I need to position myself and mobs for overpower, so you can imagin that I'm less inclined to take that kind of shit, because if one might tell me how to play my job, he should also know what are our responsibility depending the situations/places and what it take from other party members for us to perform at our best.

Spoiler: Patience.