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  1. #11
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    senjyo's Avatar
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    Hanekawa Tsubasa
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    Quote Originally Posted by PiedPiper View Post
    IDK what you're on about. Scholars can put up equal > numbers than whms on healing parsers in endgame content if you add in the fairy (and the fairy will be very little over healing).
    If your WHM with Presence of Mind, Benediction, Divine Seal, Cure II(650), Cure III(550 AOE) VS a SCH with Physick(400) + 3 Lustrate(assuming the SCH don't need to use scared soil at all) + Pet(300 @ 3sec CD = 250/2.5sGCD) and still only put out the same number, there is something wrong. And I am even using the best case scenario there too, in fact most of time SCH will use Adlo.(300) instead of Physick.
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  2. #12
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    Stanice Aurelie
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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    If your WHM with Presence of Mind, Benediction, Divine Seal, Cure II(650), Cure III(550 AOE) VS a SCH with Physick(400) + 3 Lustrate(assuming the SCH don't need to use scared soil at all) + Pet(300 @ 3sec CD = 250/2.5sGCD) and still only put out the same number, there is something wrong. And I am even using the best case scenario there too, in fact most of time SCH will use Adlo.(300) instead of Physick.
    Very, very dumb comparison. All you did is list skills, not how frequently they're used.

    What's dumber than that post is using parsers to compare healing. They can't factor in so many things, it's absurd. Sch and Whms are both great, for different reasons.
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  3. #13
    No, scholars cant heal more than White Mage. Cant compete with multiple 1.5 / 3.5k in a row of a WHM as a scholar. (and they dont even do crit heals when they do that)
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanice View Post
    Very, very dumb comparison. All you did is list skills, not how frequently they're used.
    Obviously it is better than someone who just came and give out a statement like "SCH can raw heal as much as WHM" without even giving at least a list of skills.

    And if u want to talk about how frequently they are used, i just gonna give u an example here. If the WHM is spamming Cure II(650) (which is one of the least effective way to heal for WHM), there is already no way for a SCH could catch up the number with Physick(400) + Fairy(250 max, and they don't overheal at all, so half the time they are not casting if target is in full heal unless u manual).
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    If the WHM is spamming Cure II(650) (which is one of the least effective way to heal for WHM), there is already no way for a SCH could catch up the number with Physick(400) + Fairy(250 max, and they don't overheal at all, so half the time they are not casting if target is in full heal unless u manual).
    Yes they (SCH) can keep up, it is called Aldo. And when it crits, the SCH will leave the WHM in the dust. Aldo/physick+pet healing blows whm Cure II away. Anybody that knows anything about healing in this game knows that SCH is superior for tank healing and WHM is superior for raid healing.

    /thread.
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  6. #16
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    N'kilah Razhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    If your WHM with Presence of Mind, Benediction, Divine Seal, Cure II(650), Cure III(550 AOE) VS a SCH with Physick(400) + 3 Lustrate(assuming the SCH don't need to use scared soil at all) + Pet(300 @ 3sec CD = 250/2.5sGCD) and still only put out the same number, there is something wrong. And I am even using the best case scenario there too, in fact most of time SCH will use Adlo.(300) instead of Physick.
    PoM, Benediction, and Divine Seal all have cooldowns, they're not up 100% of the time. And what white mage is going to be spamming Cure 3? You also didn't mention Rouse.
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  7. #17
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    Mysidia Baron
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    This thread depends on the parser you use. I use Advance Combat Tracker. It estimates heals, and appears to put Adlo mitigation on heal as well. However, I am starting to suspect that the modeling of HOTs for WHM is a little high. My WHM is doing two to three times the healing I am, half of which is Medica II HOT.

    Also, Scholars can easily heal the raid. White Mages can easily pull tank heal duties. However, with current parsing, WHMs will always appear to heal more due to the way HOTs have to be estimated. Some parsers will actually show WHM doing half of their healing through Medica II alone.
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  8. #18
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    Alaik Ropaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    No, scholars cant heal more than White Mage. Cant compete with multiple 1.5 / 3.5k in a row of a WHM as a scholar. (and they dont even do crit heals when they do that)
    I'm assuming since you said, "1.5k / 3.5k without crits" you mean Cure/Cure 2.. In which case you're are 100% full of it. With half Ilvl 90, relic+1, and the rest DL, cure is going to do 900-1k non crit. Or for heaven's sake, JUST READ THE TOOL TIPS. Physick and Cure have the SAME potency.

    Jesus, why are SCHs always trying to be a martyr. You can outheal a WHM single target, period. Your hate and MP management are better, period. WHM curb stomps you on AoE healing and damage, period.

    EDIT: Also, I honest to goodness laughed when you said 3.5k for a non crit cure 2. lol
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  9. #19
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    Stanice Aurelie
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    Sch's are better at single target healing, Whm's are better at AoE healing. This is why Sch's are always on the main tank (or on the tank who will take more damage) on coil. Again, in practice, much more than just potency factors in.
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    Lil Muffins
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    I think it's pretty ignorant to be parsing heals anyway. As long as everyone survives, why does it matter.
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