I love the game, but... Titan

[Darksword]

I was in your boat for about a week OP.

What I ended up doing was making my own Titan run and inviting everyone who wanted to go, regardless of gear or experience. A straight up learning run, where nobody would get kicked out no matter how bad they might screw up.

A couple hours later we had broken the heart a few times and gotten some good practice at Phase 5. We parted ways without a win, but with a ton of experience.

Beating Titan goes in this progression:

>N00b: You screw up, eat landslides, and die to plumes every single time. (you'll spend 5 or 6 runs like this)

>Newb: You can dodge landslides, but still get hit by single plumes regularly. You're starting to get the pacing of the fight but still not acting fast enough. (you'll be here for 5 or 6 more runs)

>Average: You can dodge landslides and 80% of plumes. And you can avoid the first two bomb patterns. Maybe you kill the heart and maybe you don't. Lots of people stuck here (10-20 runs). This is where you find out if you need better gear or not. Most DF runs will stall here.

>Improved: You can dodge all the landslides and all the initial plumes. You know the first two bomb patterns by heart and can usually break Titan's heart, but you die early in Phase 5 to the huge plumes, new bomb pattern, and small arena. (5-10 runs) At this stage you're starting to really memorize how the fight goes.

>Skilled: You can handle everything up til Phase 5 without any trouble, and you're learning to move pre-emptively to keep the plumes out from under you and how to dodge the new bombs. You still get hit once in a while, but you can get Titan down to 30% or below with regularity. Sounds like you're here (5-6 more runs).

>Master: You can avoid it all. Plumes, Bombs, Landslides. Nothing touches you except Tumults unless you're having bad lag or get unlucky (boxed in by Landslide as bombs go off around you, say). If it were a solo fight you could ace it. This is where you'll end up with practice. You're here or almost here.

>Ragequit: Now you need seven other Masters to party with, and none of them can be lagging. (1-Infinity attempts). Pure dumb luck of the team that you join. This is what held me back from a win for so long (25+ attempts for me). And I went through the early stages a little faster than most. I probably killed him after 40 total attempts.

Titan sucks, but there's a definite feeling of accomplishment when you beat him. He is, as the Internets would say, "Nintendo Hard." If it weren't for him and maybe Hydra, getting a relic weapon would be trivially easy. Once your whole FC or LS has beaten him, going back and doing it again will get easier and easier until he IS trivial. I remember thinking when I first started him "This is BULLSHIT! Nobody could do this! It's WAY TOO HARD FFS!"

But he really isn't, looking back on it. Getting good enough, knowing your moves enough, and being able to predict his movements are important skills in the game. Clearing Titan legitly will absolutely make you a better player.

Don't give up OP.

[NyneAlexander]

quick question, are titan's attacks elementally based on earth? I'm just wondering whether applying a crapton of earth materia on your accessories might help mitigate some of his damage?

They are, and it does. Theres a WAR tank in one of my shells who crafted a set of gear overloaded with earth materia. He said it reduced most of titans attacks by 25-30% Could be an expensive adventure for one fight tho.

[Aerostein]

So honest question, what is the best way to go and why?

I'd go with +1 1st so you can take advantage of the increased healing potency. I am unsure of %, but I believe it makes a bigger difference than a chest piece. Plus the fact you would need to get a Vanya/Rosegold for the head, and I don't think the OP would have the funds for that yet. I also don't like spell speed much, so that's another reason for me. Though, if I got a head piece from coil then I'd very much consider it. lol

Personally, I'd get pants after getting +1 as I know I won't be doing turn 5 any time soon. Then maybe followed by boots, unless I was lucky enough to get some from coil. (Even if they have spell speed.)

Really though, it depends a lot on the individual and luck.

[Majidah]

Some people might not agree with me but if you're spending that much time on Titan and you can't beat it, you might as well buy a run and get it over with. If you make this amount of money in less time than your attempt to beat Titan, in a way, you're saving time which is also saving money even if you buy Titan.

Hope this helps but like I said, some people might not agree with me. I thought this was going to be another "I love the game but I'm quitting because so and so."

I disagree. This is a video game. The whole point of it is clearing the challenges, not skipping through them. What will he do when he's out of content?

What I did was start a LS called "people good at titan". Made my own pugs, and I added to the LS those players who performed well. Eventually I had enough to consistently form very good pugs for titan.

And thaaat's how you clear titan without a FC. Waiting for the stars to align and get 8 random people on point isn't very likely.

[Rydiah]

This is probably your best bet: find a static group of people to run with and continue to work on it with them. A static group that can practice on it will have a better time beating it than a random group who aren't used to each other. Once you beat Titan that first time, you'll feel he gets easier since you and your team are more used to the mechanics of the fight, which will make it much easier for you all when it comes time to work on other relics.

I agree, try to get a group together...maybe make a Linkshell and keep running it with them. Even if they're not really experienced, if they keep working on it...they'll probably start to do better and better until you guys beat it. And if you decide to buy a run, who cares.

I rarely get hit by anything...and I'm always the last one standing, its really frustrating. I still think either the cast time for plumes is a little too short, or the area is a little too big.

[Kosmos992k]

They are, and it does. Theres a WAR tank in one of my shells who crafted a set of gear overloaded with earth materia. He said it reduced most of titans attacks by 25-30% Could be an expensive adventure for one fight tho.

Expensive perhaps, but it would be great for helping others running titan, not to mention for people who are having a hard time falling against titan HM, this could help give them an edge.

[Yurikitty]

DF seems to fail only got past the heart 2 times in about 15 parties. we are leveling alt jobs there is a point when if we can't finish content we will need to move on to another game.
Also don't have time to build a party over 3-4 hour.

If you are balking at putting together a party cause it might take you a few hours you are in the wrong game. Putting together a good party = 2 hours, being stuck on titan and not being able to progress, whats 2 hours at that point? This fight was done with 8 people in relics and binkis. It is not hard. Even as a healer. And OP, seriously man, you need to upgrade those accessories. As whms our cures are tied to our gear. You want your cures to hit for high numbers and you need that mana pool to be as fat as possible. Healers are the key to this fight, help yourself, make your gear as good as it can get. Or come to Midgard where we have a FC dedicated to running people though for fun.

[neverendingxsin]

People still struggle with titan? Its a stupid easy fight when all you need to know is the order his abilities drop and whether to stack or spread for plumes after heart phase.

[Ryios]

Pro Titan TIP #1:

When the clover/cross bombs come out, have everyone besides the tank stand on one of the bombs at the end of the cross. e.g.

A__S___A
_X____X_
__X__X__
S__XX__S
__X__X__
_X____X_
A___S__A

A's are boms at the of of the cross and S's are safe spots. If everyone stands in an S then the chances are that titan will Landslide a Safe Spot causing people to move in a pinch and often times die to a bomb exploding.
So what you do is "BAIT" the landslide. The A's (end bombs on the cross) blow up last and titan landslides before they blow up. So if all the people in the group stand on an A, titan will landslide an A (a non safe spot) then you run into a Safe spot to avoid the landslide and not get hit by a bomb.

The cricle bombs are the same way, you just stand near the last bomb to go down and when he landslides that the first bomb will have exploded, so you run there.

[Jyoeru]

[QUOTE=Yurikitty;1575172]/puts on flame suit

Ok this is where my problems with the LS and the FC system come in. OP is in a FC, FC is obviously not helping him out. They are social. Thats a linkshell! Linkshells are for social!! Not FC's! Why, why does no one seem to understand this? If you need to go through Titan and CT and Coil you need a FC. Your social group obviously aint cutting it. That was never the intention of the Devs for FC use. But no, everyone and there brother has to have there own FC, and this right here is what happens. My advice to you is get a real FC. Linkshells = social FC = Titan. Simple.

FC is still growing. They all have to start somewhere, do they not? We only seem to have 2 or 3 on this server that advertise anything regarding progression. My issue is that I cannot commit to a 2-4 day a week raid schedule, I am undergeared (which many capable FCs will detest) and not all of them are even looking for a whm. The angle you've chosen to play--while logical to a degree--is not the best angle here.

I agree with the whole level Thau up thing. But, at this point, that is not why we are not completing Titan. I will do that soon, but pointing this out to me attempts to place some type of blame on me, and I am not willing to accept that as the primary factor.