Scholar in Amdapor Keep

[Nukocafe]

I'm in need of some advice. I've been 50 for a few weeks now and I'm just running WP/Amdapor for tomstones/gears. We pretty much breeze through everything including the final boss but whenever we get to Demon Wall there's always problems.

I tried placing fairy at first but then I quickly realized she will get hit that way so I just have her next to me. However while she's next to me her healing potential is really "heal whoever's closest to me". Due to this her healing potential isn't as great and I really can't afford to manually control her when I'm busy doing jumping jacks between the purple blob.

Pretty much I go into Cleric and help with DPS until phase 3 with the bees in which I go into full healing mode but it seems like more often than not, the DPS keep dying because I'm busy focusing my healing on the tank. If I try to focus healing on a DPS, the tank ends up dying.


I'm not sure what to do here. Does anyone have any tips? Or is it really because the DPS can't stay out of the fire? I told one of the DPS's who I constantly saw in the purple blob to "mimic my movements" and it seems like once he was able to do so, he stopped standing in the fire and we finally managed to barely clear the wall and then sped through the rest of the dungeon. Also most people were in DL gear with healer & tank using IFrit weapons and Black Mage & Bard using Garuda weapons. So what's the issue here? Is it really just DPS at fault or is there something I can do to be a better healer?

[YuiSasaki]

Well, if i'm running ak (which is quite rarely lately because WP is much better - and faster in any aspects) i place my fairy in the middle lane just moving her after the repel. The middle lane is much better for her because she only gets a movement slow ( outer lanes apply a cast time increase), just healing her once in a while with the pet heal ability or an adloq (depending on my mood tbh) xD.

And yes, mostly the difference is if anyone gets hit (multiple times) on lane-dancing - the only thing you can do to help them is to remove the debuffs, if they get hit and try to heal up. Cast an Adloq on the tank before healing them with Physick and well if it wont hope blame it on the hunter... erm i mean mark yourself so they can see you better.

Another possibility would be to focus the adds, one after another you got about 4 (maybe 5?) repels till you cant avoid standing in the flooded area at the front of the room.

Mostly DW is a test of reaction (dodging the areas).

[Weltende]

You can place the Fairy in the middle column, she'll get hit for negligible damage and get the "Weight" debuff which really isn't a big deal. The sides are what give the Slow debuff AFAIK so obviously you want to keep it out of there. I usually just keep the fairy placed in the middle column and DPS until the second repel, only switching off Cleric Stance to Succor during the knockback. If the second repel is coming up and it doesn't look like you'll kill the wall before bees spawn, top your group off and prioritize healing either until the bees are dead (if you're focusing bees) or until the wall is dead (if you're ignoring bees). The only damage your group should be taking is from random Murder Holes which are handled easily by Embrace.

From what you're saying it sounds like you're approaching the fight correctly. Try it with Selene placed in the middle column, if your group is still taking a lot of damage some of your groupmates might be having positioning issues.

[GinTama]

if you have to heal at all before bees spawn, your party gets hit too much. I just throw in a succor before every repel and stay full dps till bees spawn where I heal till one bee drops and go dps again

[Maku]

Place the fairy in the middle. With the Wall targeted I usually place her right on top of the middle dot on the target circle. I also use Selene, because unless your DPS don't know how to move you will never have to actually worry about healing and her speed buffs can make things faster.

I start the fight by hitting spell speed up to get my dots up as fast as possible.

Selene(or Eos if you are really worried about healing) will get hit in the middle but they will never get slowed which is the big issue. You shouldn't even have to heal the fairy at all during the fight (at least not with anything but Succor).

After two rounds of the floor AoEs run to where you have your fairy placed. Cast Succor and throw down a Sacred Soil. The SS is totally not needed but makes ya look like you are doing something important. ^^ Sometimes the fairy won't even get hit by repel if you have her placed where I said. If she does just place her right back on that dot in the middle of the target circle after the wall is done moving.

Because you are an awesome SCH, you have been in ClericStance for the whole battle except when casting Succors for repels. And thus when/if the bees spawn you can bane your Dots to them if the tank pulls them to the center. (This often doesn't happen in pug groups.) The bees are the only time that you might actually have to throw out a heal other than the Succors for repel and that is again only if your DPS/Tank don't know how to move. Also, you may have to Leeches your fairy if she gets caught in a paralyze AoE. Do not bother moving her out of an AoE ring as it is simply less hassle and easier to just cure the paralyze.

Your only real mistake seems to be that you thought having her move with you was a better idea than placing her. With her moving with you sometimes she won't make it out of the floor AoEs on time and get slowed which is bad plus as you said she won't heal if targets are too far away. ^^ Just switch that around and you will be Auto-Driving AK in no time.

[Nukocafe]

oh I had no idea about the difference of debuffs in each column! I thought they all had the same ones xD
Thanks for the tips everyone I'll try just placing her in the middle next time!

[SmackyHuggins]

I wanted to reply to this then I read Weltende's post. Do everything they said lol. Pretty much the exact post I wanted to make. All around great advice.

[SeraviEdalborez]

This is what I do for most DF Demon Walls:

Have Eos on Steady, Place her in middle (or if you're able enough to run and Place at the same time, have her dodge as well). Just before 2nd Repel (everyone + Eos is in middle), pop Rouse + Fey Illumination + Whispering Dawn and as soon as Repel finishes casting, Place her at one of the edges (usually right-side edge since most parties hang to the left).

Gnats will focus on Eos for at least until 3rd repel, and their AoE should not interfere with dodging Demon Wall. Sustain and Eye for an Eye help keep her alive but ideally your DPS should be good enough to kill wall before or slightly after 3rd repel when using this method. You might need to toss heals on Eos, but heals on everyone else should be greatly lessened.

Other than that, Stoneskin (if you have it) + Succor before engaging, Succor before and/or after each Repel. More than that shouldn't be necessary unless people are getting hit by purple lines.

Important note: make sure to tell your tanks to ignore the adds too if doing this method, otherwise the whole strat is wasted. No Flash, no Overpower.

[Alaltus]

When the bees spawn i turn off cleric's stance and throw out as many succors as i can and throw out lustrates when someone lags behind on health or i'm close to a new set of aetherflows. Maybe not the most efficient way to do it but keeps everyone's health up high.

[Itchyness]

Or if all of your party are all geared with relics, the wall will go down before the bees even spawn. That's how fast my fc and I clear demon wall.