What is the Underlying Issue about Warrior?

[Shinkyo]

What is the underlying issue with Warrior?
They were/are spoiled children used to always getting their own way and being important in 1.0 and now they're pouty pants that they're not best/#1 tank so lots of tears/crying.

How about all the new 2.0 players that never experienced how good WAR used to be and are also complaining about the imbalance with PLD?
I don't want to be #1 in survavibility, I just want to be able to do the same content and not have people say "Crap, we have a WAR tank in our group...".

[ZDamned]

How about all the new 2.0 players that never experienced how good WAR used to be and are also complaining about the imbalance with PLD?
I don't want to be #1 in survavibility, I just want to be able to do the same content and not have people say "Crap, we have a WAR tank in our group...".

This is the most important thing posted here. All we want is to be taken seriously. People keep telling me to get my Paladin Relic +1 instead of my Warrior gear, and that I picked the wrong class. I want to be considered a Tank if I can't be a DPS class, now as it stands, I am a joke to the community, just because of a small eHP difference, and a TOTAL LACK of effective cooldowns.

My FC's DPS players always say "Yes! The tank got Gaul'd" when I help out in Titan as my Warrior with some Paladin Tanking... The sad thing about that statement, consistently, is that I'm 2nd or 3rd on the Damage Parser at that point. (Not DPS, but Damage DONE!) Only behind Bards, or a well geared Monk.

We just want to be taken seriously, because even the tremendous utility of Storms Eye for Paladins is something that most people flat out ignore. So, I'm being forced to take my Paladin instead of Warrior to Off tank coil.

I have also been told I should ask for a gear swap to change all my Warrior's gear to Valor. =(

[Rochetm]

My FC's DPS players always say "Yes! The tank got Gaul'd" when I help out in Titan as my Warrior with some Paladin Tanking... The sad thing about that statement, consistently, is that I'm 2nd or 3rd on the Damage Parser at that point. (Not DPS, but Damage DONE!) Only behind Bards, or a well geared Monk.

Find new dps.

[Paikis]

This is the most important thing posted here. All we want is to be taken seriously. People keep telling me to get my Paladin Relic +1 instead of my Warrior gear, and that I picked the wrong class. I want to be considered a Tank if I can't be a DPS class, now as it stands, I am a joke to the community, just because of a small eHP difference, and a TOTAL LACK of effective cooldowns.

My FC's DPS players always say "Yes! The tank got Gaul'd" when I help out in Titan as my Warrior with some Paladin Tanking... The sad thing about that statement, consistently, is that I'm 2nd or 3rd on the Damage Parser at that point. (Not DPS, but Damage DONE!) Only behind Bards, or a well geared Monk.

We just want to be taken seriously, because even the tremendous utility of Storms Eye for Paladins is something that most people flat out ignore. So, I'm being forced to take my Paladin instead of Warrior to Off tank coil.

I have also been told I should ask for a gear swap to change all my Warrior's gear to Valor. =(

I should point out, that I have tanked everything in coil as a Warrior. All of it except the Dreadnaughts in turn 4 and Twintania is doable in full Darklight (I had Myth chest/Hoplite helm for some of it, but that's so minor it almost doesn't count) and everything is doable once you have some gear. Yes you will get hit harder than a Paladin, but it is 100% doable, and BC was balanced around Warriors anyway.

[ZDamned]

BC was balanced around Warriors anyway.

Tell that to 98% of the community out there. >.<

[Paikis]

Tell that to 98% of the community out there. >.<

A bad Paladin is still easy to faceroll your way to victory. A bad Warrior will fold like a cheap shirt, and people will notice. A good Warrior can tank anything in the game, a good Paladin will do it a bit easier.

[Kitru]

A good Warrior can tank anything in the game, a good Paladin will do it a bit easier.

Your "bit easier" is actually pretty friggin' massive, given how PLD mitigation is primarily proactive so that it's actually useful against Coil's monumental amount of burst damage and also mitigates *more* damage because it scales with incoming damage rather than being balanced around 4 man content. I've tank on both my WAR and my PLD in Coil. If you're not in a not in a situation where you have to use your CDs, WAR and PLD are going to be pretty well matched; as soon as the damage gets high enough that you *have* to start throwing down CDs to survive, WAR becomes useless because their CD suite is only marginally better than DRG's and MNK's.

[MBTL90]

Your "bit easier" is actually pretty friggin' massive, given how PLD mitigation is primarily proactive so that it's actually useful against Coil's monumental amount of burst damage and also mitigates *more* damage because it scales with incoming damage rather than being balanced around 4 man content. I've tank on both my WAR and my PLD in Coil. If you're not in a not in a situation where you have to use your CDs, WAR and PLD are going to be pretty well matched; as soon as the damage gets high enough that you *have* to start throwing down CDs to survive, WAR becomes useless because their CD suite is only marginally better than DRG's and MNK's.

I don't know how wars are supposed to do it with their CD's. I MT Twintania, and If me or my healers aren't paying attention, I still can get gibbed by Death Sentence combos. Granted, I have had absolutely terrible luck with drops out of BC, but I'm still wearing 6 pieces of i90 gear, and have 6.4kish hp(which will jump tonight, either with more drops or with me buying my 5th piece of valor).

[Ebon_Drake]

How about all the new 2.0 players that never experienced how good WAR used to be and are also complaining about the imbalance with PLD?
I don't want to be #1 in survavibility, I just want to be able to do the same content and not have people say "Crap, we have a WAR tank in our group...".

I liked your post. I know that feel.