Concerns about the PvP and why it might not succeed, though I want it to very much!

[Alhanelem]

Although I will play in PvP regardless, I really don't think participation should be anonymous. Even MOBAs let you see your opponent's names, I don't see why this is a big deal. Hiding the names makes things more impersonal.

That said, if you're going to mask our names, couldn't you come up with something a little better than "Fresh Meat" ?

In order to aid communication and targeting, I had proposed a suggested solution to this earlier:

Change the names from the current "Fresh Meat" to

Mysterious Paladin
Mysterious Summoner
Mysterious Bard
...etc.

If harrassment happens in FF11 community because of ballista, under current condition of FF14 community, it is a smart decision. People are just not mature enough.

Even in Ballista's heyday, abuse was pretty much limited to people raging about being repeatedly targeted for whatever reason. I've never heard of anyone "harassing" eachother over a PvP session in XI (and I was an avid player of it back in the day)

[Blarp]

Wait, what? They're hiding the names of players in PVP? I just... I don't even... SE, what?

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

I can't believe people are actually defending that "Fresh Meat" crap.

[Kicoe]

There is no sane reason why names should be hidden in PVP, I'm sorry. Might aswell make names anonymous in the dungeon finder too, same thing.

[Alhanelem]

I can't believe people are actually defending that "Fresh Meat" crap.

Is anyone defending it? I don't see it.

I did propose a "well, if they won't ever do this, could they at least do <other thing> so it wouldn't suck so bad?" solution. If they insist on anonymity, anything but "fresh meat" please. But i'd prefer not to have names hidden.

[Nenin]

You realize you're calling men who practice good sportsmanship "little girls" right? In my experience the folks who act as you suggest are either insecure or little boys.

Just reading the tone and comments of some of the people in this thread who are against the "fresh meat" thing makes me realize that SE has made the right decision. When I see phrases like "can't handle the competition" or "get butthurt too easily" as the reasons for wanting to see character names, its obvious why SE doesn't want to give you guys harrasment tools. You guys are coming across like elitist, insufferable douches.

My goodness, where are our manners? Please excuse our most egregious indiscretions and callous disregard for the tender feeling of our bretheren. Hence forth we shall strive to maintain complete civility whilst attempting to massacre each other in the den of wolves.



Why is it that non-pvpers always feel compelled to enter threads about pvp and vocalize their disdain for the entire pvp subculture? Pvpers are under no illusions regarding the popularity of aggressive competition in online games. Most MMO's are lucky to get 20% of the population to engage in any form of pvp at their peak.

I don't know what you think you are accomplishing by scolding players who enjoy heated competition and name recognition but I can assure you that the impact of petty jabs like, "insecure, or little boys" or "elitist, insufferable douches" is a tiny fraction of what you intend. Combating thick-skinned players by throwing insults is not exactly a smart strategy. Name calling and anger are ubiquitous among all serious competitive activities. In fact, their presence (or lack thereof) is what separates recreational activities from competitive ones. If at the end of the game the winners aren't ecstatic and the losers aren't pissed, the game is too boring to hold anyone's attention for more than a few minutes.





We get it. You don't like culture that comes with the territory. Great, you don't have to queue for arenas. Non-participation is perfectly acceptable and is actually expected for the bulk of players. I don't understand why you try to ruin it for the people who do enjoy it though. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Don't try to get them to blast the AC on the off chance that you have to walk through it for a few seconds.

[Gao]

Players participate in the Wolves' Den via the Duty Finder, so everyone has the option to jump in solo or join with a party of 4 players and match up with anonymous opponents from across servers. This is your opportunity to test your ability and see how you fair against a variety of skilled players. While we're aware some of you don't like the use of an anonymous name like Fresh Meat,

To be honest I don't see the point of having the name of "Fresh Meat" if at the end of the battle it tells you exactly what their names were and jobs... and also their server...

[Heavell]

Players participate in the Wolves' Den via the Duty Finder, so everyone has the option to jump in solo or join with a party of 4 players and match up with anonymous opponents from across servers.

Is room for 8 players vs 8 players can be implemented for patch 2.1a or 2.1b?

[Tashigi]

Worst decision ever.
Rivalry is one of the driven factors in PVP. How can you have rivals when you can't recognize them in combat? This is the sadest thing.

Also, I Lol'ed at the "harrassment" replies. I really can't take any of it serious; just the same as I don't take those who "harrass" or "troll" in online games.
This happens in PVE and every other content the game has to throw at you. For those cheering for this silly move by Squeenix, please scroll down and read the ESRB rating; then read what it says below it about online interactions.
It means anything goes and you should be ready for it.

[Axidrain]

i would like to have an option whether or not i would want to hide my name. bragging rights yo! whats the point of being good in pvp if no one knows who you are. this is just a bad call