SCH Theory - Dropping MND for Crit?

[Sygmaelle]

I'm not theory crafting for a reason, I know how many variables need to be accounted for and I know the data simply isn't there. Yes, you can't trust other people.

I don't trust Blue Gartr. I don't argue that they are very skilled players, but to think that anyone is going to get this correct is pretty silly. Backing into a function solely on the basis of point estimates, regardless of the quantity, is tough to do.

You don't know what's at play for round of testing. Your extrapolation may correctly predict in a vacuum, but making those numbers universally applicable is a total joke.

Maybe ! but for the crit rating, for now I'm kinda right and you can test it yourself : 17% = 470 crit rating.

And you ll hardly have more than that with critted adloquium. Again, its just adloquium beein concerned.


Btw not believin the first guild that downed TT in the world after theory crafting pretty much everything that had to be done ... well you truelly need some super "concrete" proofs with sheets and such I guess ^^'

can you provide a source?

I totally didn't take screens of my tests by raisin crit from 470 up to 543 but you can easily check it out by yourself by chain casting adloquium in a limited timeframe, get the % of critted ones, and then do the same with Physik / Cure / Succor (but don't count the adloquium applied at the end of, just the healing done by succor)

DET impacts fairy more than it does yourself. whereas the DET:MND ratio for you is somewhere around 5:1 or more, the DET:MND ratio for fairy heals is closer to 1:1. test it

Yeah thats what I saw about the fairy, but atm I can't really invest too much into det since I don't really run with bards most of the time so the extra mana given by piety is always nice to have - at least for me, but for optimised build, full crit + 300 ish det seem to be great -


I saw some scholars with 500 ish crit, 310 det or so and 520+ spell speed, I don't find the spell speed that important considering that, on the pure dps side, our main damage is to have a lot of dots under crits + energy drain crittin a lot too ... acceleratin an attack that you can do maximum 3 times per minute doesnt sound right.

For heals tho it definitely help to apply adloquium quicker

this is a terrible test lmao

Yeah its so silly to see if your overall crit rating is effectively applied to all your skills when you feel that a certain one is clearly not as much affected as it should be on paper. Terrible sentence if you ask me.

Regardin crit : 130 points = +12/13% from the base rating of @lvl 50

1% crit is like ~10 points.


Base crit @lvl 50 -> 341 crit rating -> 5%

For the rest I'll let you do your own tests

[jumpypuppet]

Anyway, my point was : Adloquium is crit capped.

can you provide a source?

To test that out, just do Adloquiums with X amount of crit and raise that amount, see if you do more of them, but from 470 I can guarantee that you ll hardly see a difference. It also apply for the adloquium goin after a succor. While succor isn't crit capped, the adloquium after is.

this is a terrible test lmao

[jumpypuppet]

so your test is that you have 470 crit, cast adlo for, what, a minute? then you do it again with another 30 or so crit? however many spell casts you're doing probably isn't enough to accurately measure chance, and even if it was, the amount of crit stat you'd have to add to notice a difference in actual % is significant. if you really wanted to find out of there was an adlo cap (and for the record, i don't think there is, although i admit that there could be), you'd at the very least have to do way more casts, then add way more crit, then do it again

[Sygmaelle]

More like 5 minutes of Adloquium, then you raise the bar. And there are hardly any differences really in term of total crit shields beein done.

Then you just do the same with Physiks and Embrace and you ll totally notice the difference.

[Waliel]

120 casts is not statistically accurate.

[Delvish]

I would say 1000 casts of Adloquium is a good number. If you come out with ~170 crits, then your control would be valid.
Another 1000 casts at a higher number. If still 170 crits, then the theory is valid.
Yet another 1000 casts each of Physic/Embrace. Not 170 = not capped.

[Sygmaelle]

Can do that I think thanks for the advice !

[Vyserion]

As someone said, 1000 casts is a much better test number than ~100. I'd like to see more theorycrafting done regarding Adlo crits, because it seems ridiculous to put a cap on our signature skill - especially when the best gear in the world will still not get us to any excessive crit rates.

[Little_Lulu]

The Raw healing power is no problem atm. (T5)

If your current mind is already working in T5 coil then ... you just asked a rhetorical question.