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    Cover's only white damage though, right?

    I guess 2 paladins against titan (yeah, unlikely to happen, since premade wont have 2 tanks, and df titan likely wont have the cooperativeness) can't have the MT pld sentinel through the first buster, and then 2nd pld covers up MT pld on landslide and then sentinel himself for the next buster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    Cover's only white damage though, right?

    I guess 2 paladins against titan (yeah, unlikely to happen, since premade wont have 2 tanks, and df titan likely wont have the cooperativeness) can't have the MT pld sentinel through the first buster, and then 2nd pld covers up MT pld on landslide and then sentinel himself for the next buster.
    Not sure what you mean by "white" damage...? Cover's only Physical damage, not magic. But it applies to Weaponskills and Autoattacks alike.
    Titan's "Mountain Busters" might count - not sure if they're Magical or Physical.

    If they're physical, you could have the OT use Bulwark --> Cover --> Sentinel on the MT in that order (as long as they leave a second or two after Cover before activating Sentinel - It's 10 sec duration and Cover is 12, so that works out OK!) but you'd need to stand very close for Cover to work without getting hit by MB yourself (you don't want TWO doses of damage!!) and let the healers know what you're doing, since they're likely to be focussing on the MT.

    Realistically though, it's usually not the Mountain Buster that kills the MT since they're usually topped up (unless they eat a bomb and aren't cured in time) but the fast followup hits. Assuming that you have an OT (Yeah, I think that only happens in Duty Finder fights or FC carries!) an OT could just Provoke off the MT immediately off the MT whenever they see Mountain Buster animate. As long as the OT stays at about 95 degrees to the MT (well to the side and SLIGHTLY back) they shouldn't get hit by MB, but would get whomped by any follow up hits - that'd give the MT a chance to get topped up again and reclaim hate. You'd still need to be careful of the stomp/plumes that happen after MB, but a Tank should be able to weather them OK.

    (I still think you'd be better off as an OT PLD just DPSing and spamming Flash though - Titan can be blinded for pretty much every Mountain Buster and stomp (just be careful due to DR) and the MT will be busy spamming their +Enmity combo trying to keep healer hate after the Heart phase)
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    Last edited by Maelwys; 11-20-2013 at 08:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    [Some good stuff]
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    You CANNOT use "damage ignoring" abilities like Stoneskin or Hallowed Ground at all...
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    [More good stuff.]
    Nice writeup! We didn't end up testing SSkinning or Succoring you after Cover had been popped - might be the skins work if they're applied shortly after cover, same way as the mitigation cooldowns do.
    If one thing comes of all this, at least we'll have a few less PLDs wasting their Hallowed Ground when Covering =D
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    Final boss fight of CM. the small adds target 1 person. Hate cannot be taken from them- so if their target is a healer, you "should" cover them if they are not being slept.

    Final boss fight of bahamut a coil turn 1- some people use a strat where they let the snake recombine. Then the off tank will hallowed ground and cover the main tank.

    If there is ever a time an off tank is in a boss fight and they can predict a big hit coming (duty finder Titan is a good example)

    Cover is not an ability you will use frequently, but having it available can be clutch
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    You can use Cover if you have warrior as Main Tank when you fighting titan to help him take damage. Since some of Titan are phsy basic attack it very useful. When you cast Cover make sure you have Defense Cooldown on yourself that you can handle the hits. You get hit full force of the phsy attack. I still kinda wish it have buff or longer distance or less cooldown time.
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    Last edited by KristianFortNox; 11-25-2013 at 10:26 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunnie View Post
    Then the off tank will hallowed ground and cover the main tank.
    Doesn't work.

    See Above.

    ([Bulwark --> Cover --> Sentinel] works though!!)

    We used a strategy on Turn 4 last night to beat Phase 4 down quickly - 2x BLM, 2x BRD, 2x PLD, WHM, SCH.
    Each Paladin took a Black Mage and Covered them whilst they AoE nuked the Rooks and Spiders.
    If Cover wore off before they finished off the last bug, they could use Manawall for the last hit or two.
    Saved using all our MP on Flashing the Bugs (meaning more for phase5/6!) and meant we could hold aggro on the Spinner Rooks better to dodge pox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelwys View Post
    Cover Stuffs
    Wow, great post. I appreciate the work that you and your buddy put into this. Good to know a few tricks and get some more understanding about cover. Seems like the rule of thumb is, if you KNOW you are going to have to cover someone shortly (I.e. your friendly full i90 BLM in Turn 4 that's burning down a spinner rook), it's not a bad idea to pop foresight and bulwark right before. In the need for more mitigation, rampart/sentinel/shield oath all will work as well, so long as you wait until there's about 10-9 seconds left on Cover, however worth noting that said mitigation will stop working once cover ends, not once the CD actually ends.
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    I use cover on turn 4 BCB at the start of Phase 4. Our WHM opens up with a big heal 99% of the time, and does it on purpose so it's easy for me to pick up the adds so they don't run all over the place. I have 2 cover macros,

    /ca "Cover" <p3>
    /ca "Cover" <p4>

    When we go to a premade I set the healers as part slot 3 and 4 with the MT as Slot 1 and the OT as Slot 2.

    So after the dreadnaught dies in phase 3, I press cover macro 1 to cover the whm (party slot 3) so I eat all their dmg while the MT gets the 2nd rook and I pick up the other rook and the 4 spiders.

    I also use cover on turn 2 once in a blue moon if the MT or I screw up our taunts and he/she has to many stacks so I cover them while I wait for mine to drop to taunt. I also cover the melee (we have 1) from time to time just because I can. E.g. if the MT has the ADS I can cover the melee so they don't take much aoe dmg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryios View Post
    I also use cover on turn 2 once in a blue moon if the MT or I screw up our taunts and he/she has to many stacks so I cover them while I wait for mine to drop to taunt. I also cover the melee (we have 1) from time to time just because I can. E.g. if the MT has the ADS I can cover the melee so they don't take much aoe dmg.
    Doesn't ADS do pure magic damage? Cover shouldn't work at all in Turn 2.
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