Why is there still so much to do at end game?

[Altena]

what I do find to be annoying is the thought process that just because they are bored and have nothing to do that they have any ground to stand on. people who reach endgame usually quickly lose the 'whole picture' and eventually think everyone and their mother is as far as they are, or that for some reason they present the majority just because everyone they engage in has 3 lvl 50s in relic+1.
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I would very much like to see the numbers on the percentage of the playerbase at level cap, that have at least 1 relic.

I would bet that the majority of the playerbase does, and that a minority do not at this point. In addition to this - even if it took someone 1 full month since release to hit level cap (which is unlikely), they would have about 2400 mythology to spend on i90 gear.
That is a +1 relic, a relic body or pants slot, and one additional armor slot..
By the time 2.1 will be released, we will have approximately another 1200 mythology points to spend (which is another major slot like pants & 1 more armor slot..)


In addition to this, if a player did not complete even 1 turn of coil, they would have a minimum of 6400 philosophy points to spend (pre-AK point buff) - simply by doing enough dungeons to cap myth each week.

It is getting to the point where going into a lv50 DF dungeon, at least 2 of the 4 people have relics, and quite often more..

Simply walking around town makes this pretty evident..
Although my observations may be skewed on a Legacy server, the observations of DF dungeons are not.

Sorry to say, but yes - everyone and their mother are as far as this.. Unless you purchased the game last week, or spent more then 1 month getting your first class to cap, this is a very real situation.

Edit-

In addition to this, all of this is achieved by spamming the same 4, level 50 dungeons.
If someone did not do coil, this would be 8 AK runs per week. (Yes, only 2 a day at most. This takes 2-3 hrs a day at worst case, if you do not SR).
This is a total of 64 dungeon runs over the course of 2 months. Keep in mind, this is also between only 2 different dungeons.

Finally I would like to add, that I actually did create an alternate character, partly so I could see what the game is like for a new player, and also so I had more stuff to do and get past the 300 mythology cap. I made this character 2 weeks ago.

While this may seem on the more "hardcore" side of things, I reached level 50 within the first week, capped mythology and am now completely upgraded (with relic) in i70 gear in every slot aside from feet, waist and 1 ring.

So in 2 weeks I am coil-ready and completed T1 with a PUG.

Tomorrow I will be getting my +1 relic for this character.. It is going into the 3rd week..

[BoltNixter]

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[amnie]

you can think that way whichever way you want, I just find it to be highly ignorant to honestly think that there's more people who are lvl 50 than every player that is 1-49 combined, and not only that, but that the majority of those who are lvl 50 also have a relic+1.

this happens in every MMO that releases. and it's never been true after such a short time.

I already said that I think it's legit to 'complain' when you have nothing fun for you to do. but that is something different than claiming there IS nothing fun to do. everyone defines 'fun' as something else. (I for example have more fun collecting minions, gathering random crap for friends who level up their crafting classes - and socialising. I am not a member of any FC, but I am a member of 5 different LSs for example)


you get a distroded view when you do lvl 50 stuff all the time. of course the majority at 50 has good gear when you regularly do the runs that people do to farm. but that doesn't change any damn thing. people who ARE 50 and want to get better stuff just do nothing but the lvl 50 content.

[Arriverderci]

Here's end-game is a nutshell for us all.

You either:

1. Spam WP and AK all day, all night long.
2. Coil and get pissed at people and take 50 years to get a group unless in FC.
3. Wait for Myth's to reset. So log in 1-2 days a week.
4. Craft. Which I like...but a lot of people don't. I normally do not fancy crafting.
5 Boringly FATE grind solo because the lower levels are dead. [For me at least.]
6. Relic aka get pissed at Titan and have a heart attack over him.

Sooo yeah. There is not much to do, no matter how you slice it.

[Scratchs]

I'm legacy, not a hardcore gamer. I cap my myth then log off. I've done T1 a few times but I don't find it at all fun dealing with the typical hardcore/min/maxers/elitests/crybabies/gearcheckers that inhabit the coil. Actually It's sort of good for the community that these people run out of stuff to do. Unless you want more GEARED/+1ONLY/EXP ONLY shouts in Mor Dhona.

[Altena]

you can think that way whichever way you want, I just find it to be highly ignorant to honestly think that there's more people who are lvl 50 than every player that is 1-49 combined, and not only that, but that the majority of those who are lvl 50 also have a relic+1.

Anyone that purchased the game recently doesn't really count, as they aren't with the release crowd.. so to speak.
Anyone that is not level 50, 3 months after release is also playing very infrequently and is not with the crowd.
If it has taken 2 months to defeat 2x instanced fights, 1 dungeon, kill 24 level 49 mobs, and defeated the 3 primals - then that is unfortunate and I am sorry that you have had bad luck finding groups or an FC.

I didn't say +1 because that is a gear choice. Some slots for some jobs are arguably better then a +1 (such as BRD pants). I simply said a relic..

this happens in every MMO that releases. and it's never been true after such a short time.

Once again, this is a special snowflake as many players are already 2 years ahead of the game's schedule.

I already said that I think it's legit to 'complain' when you have nothing fun for you to do.

I find coil "fun"... However this lasts for 40 mins a week - aside from grinding our faces against walls on Twintania.
As for dungeon grinding which is the only other thing to "do", then no, there is nothing to do. I also have better-then-AK gear on both my "main" jobs, as well as full DL for many off-jobs. This is not out of the norm for many people, especially 1.0 players who did not have to spend as much time in early-mid game tier.

but that is something different than claiming there IS nothing fun to do.

There IS nothing fun, after completing coil.

everyone defines 'fun' as something else. (I for example have more fun collecting minions, gathering random crap for friends who level up their crafting classes - and socialising. I am not a member of any FC, but I am a member of 5 different LSs for example)

Which is why people are complaining. For a lot of people - the 'fun' things in this game are completed in 30-40 mins. Once this is done, we might as well log out for the week.
The complaint is there is not enough, and 40 mins a week (if we are strictly talking "fun") for most people is not enough for a game that is on a monthly sub.

you get a distroded view when you do lvl 50 stuff all the time. of course the majority at 50 has good gear when you regularly do the runs that people do to farm. but that doesn't change any damn thing. people who ARE 50 and want to get better stuff just do nothing but the lvl 50 content.

Please read my edited section in my previous post.

[Altena]

I'm legacy, not a hardcore gamer. I cap my myth then log off. I've done T1 a few times but I don't find it at all fun dealing with the typical hardcore/min/maxers/elitests/crybabies/gearcheckers that inhabit the coil. Actually It's sort of good for the community that these people run out of stuff to do. Unless you want more GEARED/+1ONLY/EXP ONLY shouts in Mor Dhona.

You get treated how you treat others.

Flagging people as "hardcore/min/maxers/elitists/crybabies/gearcheckers" flags yourself as stereotypical as well.

I have a perfectly fun time playing with "hardcore/min/maxers/elitists/crybabies/gearcheckers", as well as playing with people who do not play as often, do not min/max, but also do not scream foul at those who do..

In addition to this, people like to play with others that carry their own weight. I am sure there is that AK run that you have been to, where the other DPS is doing very little damage, and you have been frustrated by having to carry their weight as well as your own.. Or as a tank, that healer just isn't healing as fast as they could be, or as a healer that tank isn't using any buffs or is wearing low spec armor..

It gets tiresome when players are not geared for the content they are trying to complete, and those that are - have to carry that extra weight in the group.

[Scratchs]

You get treated how you treat others.

Flagging people as "hardcore/min/maxers/elitists/crybabies/gearcheckers" flags yourself as stereotypical as well.

I have a perfectly fun time playing with "hardcore/min/maxers/elitists/crybabies/gearcheckers", as well as playing with people who do not play as often, do not min/max, but also do not scream foul at those who do..

It gets tiresome when players are not geared for the content they are trying to complete, and those that are - have to carry that extra weight in the group.

Yes I agree but in this game having the appropriate level gear is not enough, you need much much more than the minimum needed to win to be accepted. It's not really a stereotype just my experience since I started playing ARR. The better gear you have the more likely you are to be a total @#%#@%.

[amnie]

as mentioned in another topic:
my character number is 6612. I had 37 hours played for this game last week. I have one lvl 50. botanist. you don't decide whether or not I play the game 'enough' or 'incorrectly' or whatever. you are not speaking for the majority, and neither do I.

also: I never claimed it's hard to reach lvl 50 or that it takes long. it absolutely doesn't. absolutely doesn't. if that is what you want. my goal is not to reach end game right now because I KNOW what it looks like and I have no interest in farming and elitist bs. and surprise surprise, I'm actually honestly enjoying myself.

[Altena]

Yes I agree but in this game having the appropriate level gear is not enough, you need much much more than the minimum needed to win to be accepted. It's not really a stereotype just my experience since I started playing ARR. The better gear you have the more likely you are to be a total @#%#@%.

That is mainly because the "standard" has increased..

It is pretty much the "norm" now, to have a relic +1 and DL as a minimum.. 3 months of working on this very content for most people raises the "minimum" bar...
Watch, next patch, people will be shouting for "relic +1 and CT gear only" when shouting for coil PUGs..

The bar will keep raising, as content keeps getting released.. This is pretty standard behavior.


Also a lot of the shouts are quite realistic... I mean you really should be in full DL or at least AK gear to be taking on Titan to complete your i80 weapon.
Progression tier is AF > WP > AK > DL/Primal weap > Relic/CT armor > Relic+1/Coil...

Should be in at least full gear of the tier below to do that really.. I think the current shouts are pretty realistic.