On behalf of myself

[Starlord]

A rant by me...

Hello, today I would like to share with you some of my thoughts! Over the past few weeks, I have been seeing some things that have really annoyed me! Some people seem to think that they know everything and they are the Messiah of all things FFXIV. Maybe that is a bit over-dramatic, but you get my point.

These are the things that are on my mind:

Need does indeed not equal want.

While this is true, who are any of you to say what this game needs? Are you a professional game developer for a triple A company? These very forums were created for suggestions and feedback, everything you post on here is a want and not a need, we do not need anything, not a single thing you post. Sure, this game may flop, but that is the point I am trying to make. Taking in suggestions is what is making this game turn out to be better, gradually.

Please don't tell me that things aren't needed, you can argue any and every suggestion on these forums is not something that is needed. Wants, not needs are what is going to make this game better. The only "need" is player feedback and suggestions.

Yes, it's true, this is Final Fantasy XIV and not any other MMO.

So you've played other MMOs? Five? Ten? Twenty? Just because you don't like something in one MMO doesn't mean that SE can't make it work in this game in a way that everyone can enjoy. Let's take the jump war for example. Some people are for it, some are against it. While I agree that jumping isn't something that is required right this very moment, we have been given no details about it at all, only that they will be evaluating it. Why don't you wait until they give us some details before you start prophesying the end of the world. Have some faith in the game developer we all love.

I speak for myself. "We" equates to yourself alone.

Seriously, I make my own decisions, I am the only one that speaks for myself. So please, stop acting as if you are the voice of the entire community, you aren't. Some people may agree with you, sure, but there are those that disagree with you as well. When you claim to be the voice of the community or even a large group/majority of players, to me, you look arrogant and ignorant.

Facts are separate from opinions.

I simply love it when people preach their own opinions as facts. Not. Such as, what will make this game fun. Again, who are you to say what will make this game more fun? Your opinion is your own, and you don't speak for the entire community. Different people get their kicks off different things. This is a MMO, something designed to attract a variety of people from different backgrounds, and that, in turn, have different tastes. Sorry if that offends you, but its the reality of not even MMOs, but the internet and even the world in general.

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This is by no means a personal attack against anyone. I am just tired of people assuming they know whats best for me and for the game I love and would love even more to see improved.

No single person will make this game amazing, it takes everyone, from the developers to the community.

Thank you for reading, sorry if I have offended you in any way. These are my own opinions, and you are free to criticize me as much as you want, though I may just bite back.

This thread may get spammed with reports, and it may get taken down. That doesn't really bother me, as long as I can get this out to a few people.

*Casts Barfire*

I know right.. some people seem to think that (as I'm taking it) that they are better producer then SE producers. That's how I seriously feel about some of these people here :/.

[Jennestia]

What's the point of this post?

It seemed to be spawned in an attempt at a personal attack against certain groups of people.

[Shai]

I guess considering what little thought was put into your original post I shouldn't have expected you to put any into mine so I'll break it down for you. You said that players that post on the forums aren't experienced enough to suggest what the game needs(How you are able to know the extent of a posters experience is beyond me, but I'll let that part slide).

My point was that players said this game needed an official forum(And it did) and they have been very vocal about other issues as well. Just because someone doesn't develop a game doesn't mean they don't know what makes a game good, if this were true then video game critics and reviewers would be out of a job as no one would respect their opinion. On the flip side, who is to say what makes a developer good? You know how many crappy games SE and OTHER triple A developers have put out? With the way the game was released I would argue they are the ones who don't know what makes a game good(No mailboxes, mounts, battle system to name a few)

So I'll close with this: The developers need the players feedback as much as players need the developers. It is what makes an MMO grow and become successful.

Your definition of "need" is flawed. FFXI survived 8 years without an official forum.
Why did XIV need one when XI didn't?

Need is based on necessity. In order to progress and compete with modern MMOs a forum may be necessary, but how can you determine that? I would say, it could only gain from a forum, but it didn't explicitly need one.

It's a semantic argument, but that's all TC's argument was in my opinion.

[Nikita]

I guess considering what little thought was put into your original post I shouldn't have expected you to put any into mine so I'll break it down for you. You said that players that post on the forums aren't experienced enough to suggest what the game needs(How you are able to know the extent of a posters experience is beyond me, but I'll let that part slide).

This was the point of that first section:

Please don't tell me that things aren't needed, you can argue any and every suggestion on these forums is not something that is needed. Wants, not needs are what is going to make this game better. The only "need" is player feedback and suggestions.

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So I'll close with this: The developers need the players feedback as much as players need the developers. It is what makes an MMO grow and become successful.

No single person will make this game amazing, it takes everyone, from the developers to the community.

de ja vu?

Before you try to to twist my words around, please examine the context of the material you are nit-picking from so that next time you don't fall flat on your face like you just did. Thanks!

[Shai]

It seemed to be spawned in an attempt at a personal attack against certain groups of people.

I think that's a fair interpretation.

I see it as an attempt to focus the community into a positive and constructive effort rather than negative and destructive, but with poorly chosen words that border on offensive to a certain group of people.

[Nikita]

I didn't really expect much positive feedback to be completely honest, I just wanted to share my thoughts, and thought that maybe others could relate to what I am saying.

I think I apologized in advanced twice in my OP and said that this was indeed not a personal attack against anyone, though "I will bite back" when you don't read my message and claim that you do, followed by insulting it incorrectly! ^_^ You are free to insult, just please make sure you read it all before nit-picking!

[Zenaku]

SE looking for the players with no MMO experienced so your post pretty much mean noting. SE want to get the players that like FF but never play the online version. So at the end they looking for all type of players so anyone with a mind can post on here without issue you made a pointless post that does not even help out ffxiv which is the reason we have the forums

In before lock....

[Micronowski]

Funny how things look when taken out of context. I guess I can try my hand at copy and pasting snippets of your post

who are any of you to say what this game needs?

we do not need anything, not a single thing

For someone advocating "Speak for yourself", You sure do like to speak for the community.

The game needs things and the developers need the community. If it wasn't for passionate players demanding change, this game would still be on the same downward spiral that it was when released.

Edit: Oh by the way

Your definition of "need" is flawed. FFXI survived 8 years without an official forum.
Why did XIV need one when XI didn't?

FFXI's launch wasn't a commercial flop so the developers needed to have closer contact with the community. Not to mention things were a lot different back then as to what the standard was for an MMO.

[Nikita]

Funny how things look when taken out of context. I guess I can try my hand at copy and pasting snippets of your post

For someone advocating "Speak for yourself", You sure do like to speak for the community.

The game needs things and the developers need the community. If it wasn't for passionate players demanding change, this game would still be on the same downward spiral that it was when released.

who are any of you to say what this game needs?

we do not need anything, not a single thing

Oh, hehe, you sure love to nit-pick! The paragraph in which you quoted from:

Need does indeed not equal want.

While this is true, who are any of you to say what this game needs? Are you a professional game developer for a triple A company? These very forums were created for suggestions and feedback, everything you post on here is a want and not a need, we do not need anything, not a single thing you post. Sure, this game may flop, but that is the point I am trying to make. Taking in suggestions is what is making this game turn out to be better, gradually.

Please don't tell me that things aren't needed, you can argue any and every suggestion on these forums is not something that is needed. Wants, not needs are what is going to make this game better. The only "need" is player feedback and suggestions.

This was to explain that even though need does not equal want, "wants" are what makes this game grow, and no single player posting on these forums has the right to tell me that my requests waste time or aren't needed.

You basically are saying that I said we need no feedback at all, which was actually the exact opposite of what I said!

You are SO silly! ^_^

[Jennestia]

Technically, as much as people like to believe otherwise there are actually some people are a lot more knowledgeable or open minded than they're given credit for. For example --

Suggestion: "We need giant laser shooting robots that rampages across every city and you have to defend the city from it's attack."

How would that not be a waste of time versus:

Suggestion: "Unlock chocobos and airship for more methods of travel, especially when Ishgard is related to battle content, we need quicker transportation and sometimes are low on anima."

So people who say "things are a "waste of time" generally mean in regards to something the game could benefit more from.