For the people that want a challenge ( I believe you'll get it soon enough)

[Starlord]

I have been reading on and off on how some people want a challenge in this game, and I can totally relate to how you feel. Yoshi-P has told us that Levels 1-50 is meant to be this huge tutorial, and the 50 is when you actually start getting some challenge in.

The 1-50 Tutorial is mainly for the casuals so they can ween themselves into this game without feeling the need of stress and can complete the storyline without having to do 3 years of CoP like in FFXI to complete it ( can totally understand that -.-).

It seems like from what I have seen the patches are very challenged based for example:

2.1 has:

1) Crystal Tower ( easier than coil, but probably not as easy as you may think :P)
2) Extreme Primal modes (obviously harder than HM and it maybe CT equal or a tad higher for all we know)
3) 2 Hard Mode Dungeons ( who knows what will be in there!)
4) Pharos Sirius ( Another Level 50 Dungeon)
5) PvP ( It can be challenging depending on the match)
6) Hard Mode of some Memorable Foe.

2.2 has (as far as we know):

1) Turn 6+ Coil of (The hardest content you can do in the game currently)
( and I am sure more is to follow)

2.3 has:

1) Crystal Tower (Floors higher than 2.1),<---- probably just as hard as Coil turns 1/2/4/5

My point here is that the 1-50 game is made for casuals no denying that, but is endgame really casual friendly? When I look at what we have and 2.1 it doesn't seem likely. Also, the point that FFXIV ARR Each patch seems to come with what seems to be Hardcore content, I see that in the future patches, that you will see more semi-hardcore-hardcore content as well.

Expansion is coming in a year (hopefully if all goes well), and that expansion will be for the 50+ players ( in which the tutorial is 1-50 so you don't have to worry so much about being dragged down by that) in which you will even probably encounter harder trash mobs as well as well harder content. Obviously what I said isn't set in stone, I am just thinking ahead and with all the content in the patches we know about, it just "Seems" like we will get harder content in the future.

[KingZeus]

[Starlord]

I congradulate you! I couldn't do something like this, Fishing personally makes me wanna sleep ( but I want that Tortoise!)

[Kittra]

I don't mind challenging content at end-game, but I sure do miss the element of journey/adventure that the Final Fantasy series is so well known for.

Personally, I don't complain about a lack of challenging content because I know the main focus will be end-game moving forward.
Just once in a while though, I'd like to see/do something that gives me a thrill simply by "doing" it, not because I reached "the end."

To try to give an idea of feeling I'm looking for in content: It's that feeling you'd get on Christmas morning as a kid just before you even see any presents under the tree.

I hadn't had that feeling since I started playing FFXI for the first time, and the last time I felt it was Open Beta for FFXIV 1.0.
I "was" expecting to feel it again when ARR rolled around but... something is missing.

[Doo]

It's not challenge I really care about. It's fun grinds that will last awhile.

Extreme primals - Are they going to make doing them over and over again worthwhile or just one and done?
Crystal tower - Will it end up like Castrum?
Dungeons - WP speed runs?
Fates - More laggy zergfests?

[DeeJayImut]

you forgot pvp

for some of pvper its a content that we are waiting for

for the other? they choose to grind like hell and in the end that gear is just for fashion show

[Melithea]

I honestly hope that EM Primals are all harder than Twintania just to shut up the people who rushed end game and then complained about no challenge. The hardest of the three should be statistically impossible with full ilvl90 gear.

[DivineAyumi]

you forgot pvp

for some of pvper its a content that we are waiting for

for the other? they choose to grind like hell and in the end that gear is just for fashion show

PVP is going to be filled with bots that you can't see, therefore can't report.
And if they hit you once, they will deal 999,999 damage.

[Blarp]

I honestly hope that EM Primals are all harder than Twintania just to shut up the people who rushed end game and then complained about no challenge. The hardest of the three should be statistically impossible with full ilvl90 gear.

Yeah, that's a good idea. They've made "impossible" bosses before like AV and Pandamonium Warden. The community really loves it. Also, the press liked it when people fought a boss for 18 hours straight and were forced to quit because members of the raid were becoming physically ill. Great game design there.

[DeeJayImut]

PVP is going to be filled with bots that you can't see, therefore can't report.
And if they hit you once, they will deal 999,999 damage.

proof?