Hydaelyn at large (is there a compilation of info yet?)

[Anonymoose]

Isn't that the exact same thing the Moblins did in FFXI to create Oldton Movalpolos or some such?

[Kyan]

Yeah, pretty much. I am wondering if we will eventually get a goblin settlement near Limsa? There does seem to be a large community there of trader goblins.

Edit: There is actually a possibility for multiple Goblin settlements throughout Eorzea which we do not know about. We have Brayflox's Longstop, which seems to be more like camps and temporary homes reminiscent of the migratory nature of goblins present in the lore.

We also have the Illuminati faction of Goblins to consider - the defector Mutamix in Thanalan being of their clan, and the new enemies attacking the Longstop (the Illuminati goblins remind me of moblins in XI, both physically and lore-wise). I would assume the Illuminati have a base camp/city of some sort, too.

This new Goblin home on Vylbrand, inside a mountain, seems like it would be possibly encroaching on the territory of kobolds, depending on the location. It seems that Limsa Lominsa officials are at least okay and knowledgeable about the Goblin city, as they have entered trade agreements with them for the ore and goods being excavated for the subterranean city.

[Kyan]

Well, I took that to refer to the new residential construction going on in that area instead of a new goblin city (it's what those big jackhammers are for) - hence why there's attempts to kick the remaining residents of the Silver Bazaar out as they want to resume the land for new construction.. Also remember the new residential area the Goblet is located nearby within a mountain as well (or rather, on a mesa surrounded by mountains), so it's likely that's what that leve description is referring to.

It is actually in Limsa, not Thanalan. The armourer and blacksmith guilds are buying ore from the goblins, the goblins have dug out the inside of a mountain to build a new city. I do not see goblins building a city for another race without the promise of a lot of jinglyshine.

In the leve, you escort a goblin trader in this leve who is off to negotiate price and trade.

[Enkidoh]

Ah, never mind my ramblings then, carry on.

And yes, in FFXI the moblins were the ones who created the underground settlement of Movalopolos, but the thing to remember is moblins were actually not goblins per se, but more an offshoot of the species (they looked larger than goblins and wore different shaped armour, not to mention they spoke differently, more with a husky, gasping pidgin accent compared to the goblins legible, if somewhat crude, common tongue - even their naming styles were different to goblins, hinting even more at moblins being 'different'.) The fact they even built a permanent city showed they were a culture and society separate to regular goblins, who were specifically stated being nomadic and transient in nature.

[Kyan]

The fact they even built a permanent city showed they were a culture and society separate to regular goblins, who were specifically stated being nomadic and transient in nature.

This is what I find fascinating. We have our Illuminati goblins (who have very different armour and designs, versus regular FFXIV goblins). And this idea of a goblin city? It goes against what sort of know about our nomadic beastmen friends, yet at the same time, makes savvy business sense. If they establish a city, like the five races, they would have a lot more bargaining power. They are quite ingenious, a city of goblins might be surprisingly forward thinking!

Mayhaps this also opens the doorway to a goblin stronghold, dailies, and alas, even primal?

[Kyan]

Yeah it's def an island with Radz-at-Han as the capital. The OP of this thread has the sources listed already if you want to see for yourself (most relevent the item descriptions for Adamantoise Shell and Thavnairian Mistletoe). Mint Lassi does refer to it as "city-state" though, so there may be a conflation of terms here. What is 100% clear though is that it's definitely separate from Othard.

It seems the recently added Jalzahn agrees with Radz-at-Han being a city-state.

He also invented Thavnairian mist - the elixir which helps us infuse spirits into our weapons!

[Kyan]

Not a major spoiler, it is a conclusion about land masses present in the main scenario dialogue in 2.2 which I am surprised with!

Well, I'll eat my cleric's circlet. It seems Othard is the same as the Far East, at least according to the story in 2.2. This does go against how I interpreted the information present in game currently.
I guess why it does not seem right with me, is the consideration that we have visitors from the Far East all the time, and Othard is supposed to be under Garlean rule.

Unless, of course, there are more than one continent/landmass in the Far East... I hope we find out! Give me a world map!

[Myranda]

To add to discussion on the Far East:

I believe Yugiri did mention that not *all* of Othard is fully conquered, as the Empire did not consider a few of them a threat. It's entirely possible the frequent visitors are from those few bastions of freedom left. The only trouble I have there is that some of the previous visitors (a la the Uma Byugo) seem to imply a fairly large and established yet still free society/city back home, and I'd like to think that larger cities would be bigger targets for Garlemald, with only small rural villages flying under the radar.

[Anonymoose]

I believe Yugiri did mention that not *all* of Othard is fully conquered

Did she? I hope so. I know I mentioned it but I found that in my Rise of the White Raven post-it notes and wasn't sure if it applied to this patch's information or something yet-to-be-mentioned, lol.

[Myranda]

Hmmm. I'd have to go back and check now since I've been looking at a lot of different lore sources lately building up my FC trivia event. I thought it was from her, but I could be wrong. Obviously I can't see your post-its but I know I saw it somewhere, there must be a legitimate source for it.