Becoming a "real person" in FFXIV.

[Tarta]

Welp, guess Tarta is getting to 50 before the end of the event then...

[Alhanelem]

It seems to me more like a complaint about how dysfunctional the community is in the eyes of the OP, given the line about not being a "real person" until you hit 50 and all that. But this is a failiure of the community, not of SE.

[Baneus]

Welp, guess Tarta is getting to 50 before the end of the event then...

From what I've read, you need to be at least 45 to do the last bit.

It seems to me more like a complaint about how dysfunctional the community is in the eyes of the OP, given the line about not being a "real person" until you hit 50 and all that. But this is a failure of the community, not of SE.

I put it squarely on SE. All Field and Trade leves outside of the main cities are gated behind DoW/DoM unlocks, they won't unlock for a DoL/DoH at the right level. How is my level 50 Fisherman worth less than your Arcanist?

Let's just have a look around the forums and see how many people are listed as below 50.

There are more 50s than not posting on the forums because you can't make more than a few posts a day unless you have a class at 50 (and even then it's only 20 posts a day, which is rubbish for discussion forums).

[Eightbit]

Even with a post limit though you still get kind of a feel to who is around. You can tell when you are reading the same handful of people vs people you don't really recognize. If anything it would be more a function of the content I read and debate I'd say. Either way bad example.

I still stick by the idea that most people who are active in game for at least a few weeks have a level 50 in a DoW class. That number would only increase as you look at people who have played a month or more. I also stay strong on the original issue. While I like seeing events have a few phases for all players, I do think a bigger focus needs to be placed on those at 50 and at end game.

[Naelle]

The event will happen again in February when LR hits NA. By the way.

[Fawkes]

Take the recent “Lightning Returns” crossover content: limited time, cosmetic rewards, starting within the first three months. Now, in pretty much any other current game, this would be a no-brainer to then add to that list “happens 100% in the newbie area, or newbie levels.”

NOPE.

The first step is level 12-16ish. Ok, that’s fair, that’s not far from the realm that even a devoted crafter has to get a combat class to. The second phase, however, is mid to late 20’s. Thaaaat’s kinda pushing it, in a world where the crafting and gathering games can be all-encompassing playstyles. The third phase, if my sources are correct, will be in the mid 40’s. That’s, in the context of today’s “accessibility sensitive” market, flat out nuts. Furthermore, the decision to put the vendors for some the veteran rewards in Mor Dhona just follows this messed up logic.

In 1.0 a few of the seasonal events required you to be a certain level to do. I couldn't get all the egg helms for the first easter event because you had to go in a dungeon and fight a level 35 spriggan or something. I was pretty annoyed when they gave out all the old swimsuits practically for free this year, because when I got mine I had to sneak past aggro on my way to a hamlet in Coerthas and get called an asshole for "leeching".

Personally, I prefer events to be something that anyone can do. It's a shame SE still seems to want to lock people out of stuff like this.

[Billie21]

I still stick by the idea that most people who are active in game for at least a few weeks have a level 50 in a DoW class. That number would only increase as you look at people who have played a month or more. I also stay strong on the original issue. While I like seeing events have a few phases for all players, I do think a bigger focus needs to be placed on those at 50 and at end game.

As a person who typically "stops and smells the roses", who has been actively playing since release (pre-ordered), and has yet to reach lvl 50 (I know, you didn't say "everyone, but "most" and you may even be right) I kind of see the point that the OP is trying to make (though I disagree on the specific Lightning event).


I don't dispute the lack of endgame content, since so many people describe it pretty well. To me, restricting random suff to lvl 50 does not equate to endgame content, though. It's a backward logic of restriction rather than expansion.

Ideally, a game would not restrict arbitrarily content (to let players who enjoy to "stop and smell the roses" do as they please without frustrating them with invisible/incomprehensible walls) AND offer enough activities that capitalise on being high level to keep maxlevel players entertained (i.e. endgame content).
Restricting an activity that doesn't capitalise on being high level to only high level players does not equate to adding endgame content. It's just keeping lowbies out arbitrarily to make highlevel players feel special.

I think I can see the point of the OP about "not being a person until lvl 50" (and no, this is not about a community thing, this is about how the game handles the player character). At the same time, this game has a LOT to offer to players who want to stop and smell the roses, many things to do and many temptations to try and do so many things.
It's one of the many paradoxes of FFXIV (kind of like the whole "you can do every job and class on one character but having some mechanics that dissuade the player from actually doing it": lack of quests, character-based restrictions to gear rather than class-based, etc...)

[Alhanelem]

I put it squarely on SE. All Field and Trade leves outside of the main cities are gated behind DoW/DoM unlocks, they won't unlock for a DoL/DoH at the right level. How is my level 50 Fisherman worth less than your Arcanist?

Huh?

You can't (effectively) play the game just as a crafter or gatherer. That was officially declared to no longer be possible long before ARR ever came out. This has nothing to do with how much XYZ class is worth. This fact doesn't make those classes less valuable, it only means some battle class competency is required to fully enjoy the game. You don't have to be a pro, and you also don't have to have leves to level up a crafter or gatherer.

There isn't an MMO in existence where you aren't a "real man" prior to achieving the maximum amount of the main progression meteric (be it levels or whatever else), from your view of what it means.

I'm not going to think less of you because you don't have XYZ battle class to 50 yet, but unfortunately I can't use a lv50 leatherworker in my party to beat Bahamut's Coil. So... I'm not really sure what you're complaining about anymore, but it's not SE's fault endgame players don't have high regard for non-level 50s. That shouldn't even be a problem though, because you aren't playing the same content they are.

To me, restricting random suff to lvl 50 does not equate to endgame content, though. It's a backward logic of restriction rather than expansion.

The only things restricted to level 50 are the things that actually need you to be at level 50. Don't bring up leves again, because you don't have to unlock them to reach level 50 crafter or gatherer, and you also don't depend on anyone else to unlock any area's leves.

[JeniLinsky]

I've been playing since beta, and I still don't have a 50. In part that's because I got gumption trapped by Brayflox's Cheese Shop, and in part it's because I side-tracked into weaving to make my own HQ gear, which of course also required leveling botanist, and... well, long story short, I've advanced one level of white mage in about a month. I'd prefer if the Lightning Fates were available to lower levels, particularly as the gear drop reward is for a 13th level character, and mostly of use once Vanity Slots come out.

[Ri_ri]

The event will happen again in February when LR hits NA. By the way.

People who'll start playing in February still won't be able to participate, though.