Dear Healers that don't DPS in dungeons

[Sirantha]

I've always felt that DPSing as a healer is situational. I usually test the waters a bit by healing for the first few fights in a dungeon before deciding whether I'll pop into Cleric Stance to do some DPS. Otherwise, I'll refresh DoTs provided everything is running smoothly. I don't always switch into Cleric Stance for it, because I've had some situations where something has gone horribly wrong (accidental pull, DPS walks into the Tonberry Stalker, lag) and, while I can usually easily pull it back, I find it just adds unnecessary stress when you're running with people you don't know.

In an FC group? I have no problem DPSing, since I know what my party can handle and have got used to the encounter. More wiggle room for experimentation. I still feel it should be optional otherwise though.

[whiskeybravo]

Just my 2 cents:

Presence of Mind = worst buff ever. 5 min recast for 10 seconds of spell speed boost.
Cure 3 = Useless. Too much MP, too little effective radius

Divine Seal, on the other hand, priceless with Medica/Medica 2

MP Regen for Shroud of Saints is also off the chain.

[Denji]

Just my 2 cents:

Presence of Mind = worst buff ever. 5 min recast for 10 seconds of spell speed boost.
Cure 3 = Useless. Too much MP, too little effective radius

Divine Seal, on the other hand, priceless with Medica/Medica 2

MP Regen for Shroud of Saints is also off the chain.

Presence of Mind really is useless, especially when THM get an insta-cast ability with only a 1 minute cooldown. I mean honestly why would I use PoM when I can just keep using swiftcast. It's complete BS because PoM maybe helps me cast an additional half a spell before disappearing.

EDIT: Wrong thread, yes. XP But I agree with this post entirely.

[whiskeybravo]

Sorry wrong thread lol

[whiskeybravo]

As far as a DPS'ng healers go.. I will DPS if the tank has the situation under control and not taking too much damage, at least cast Aero and Aero 2 for some DoT. Just kinda something to do when not healing. Healing always takes priority for me. I've noticed (from tanking) that SCH seems to suffer from DoT syndrome sometimes, should never let tank get to the 100's in HP lol

[Steeled]

I have been dps'ing as heals since level 30. I know the instances well and know the pulls or tanks that require me to purely heal, but if I can sneak a bane in, I'm helping.

It's been quite good practice.

Honestly, I don't hold back on any tank and the reason for this is that I know what he's going to encounter at 50. The ones "doing it wrong" may cuss at me under their breath, or in party chat, but when they reach 50, they'll owe me a thanks even if they don't realize it. If a tank is having agro problems every pull, i'll shut cleric stance off.

Also, most the tanks that lose hate to my dps agro would lose it to my healing agro too, because hitting overpower or flash more than once is really really hard.

[Kewitt]

I am a war 50 and WHM 50.
I haven't used my WHM to much it's from 1.xx

But I understand how helpful Holy is on low HP mobs that spawn in WP.
I was running as DF WP, I ask the WHM Please holy adds on 2nd boss and they said nope.
Then called me elitist.

I'm not sure how asking someone to do something that will help the party elitist.

I don't care if you Full DPS the dungeon but there are times when it really helps.

[GuardianX]

I'm a whm and rule number 1 in an engagement is to be prepared to heal your team when needed. Rule number 2 is always DOT on every target that's being engaged. Presence of mind is not that great but I make due with it. In the first 30 sec of a boss fight, I regen and stoneskin tank. Then I DOT and hit presence of mind and spam stone 2 while in cleric stance. It ls the best I can make of POM in this situation.

[Ragnaro]

Both healer classes are made to be able to dps as well as heal. If the healer isn't doing much healing, because it's not needed, why not let them dps? SCH is always able to use bio, miasma etc and then heal. When I tank dungeons, I ask the healer to dps (especially on bosses) if they aren't busy healing. Can make some fights so much quicker and easier.

[Freakiie]

Sure, I'm not the norm. But neither are any of those cases you mention. Like I said, I DFed my entire DL. I DFed quite a bit of Myth tomes after that as well. I've had like 2 complete fails in that time? One run with an Arcanist and another with a tank that was just completely undergeared. Who knows, perhaps it helps that I do WP a lot more than AK, but I'm not gonna write off the DF just because I had 2 bad WP runs out off the nearly 100 I've done by now.

So just because you found a bad healer it doesn't mean every healer is bad. Just because you can mention a few extremes it doesn't change that on your average DF run there's plenty off downtime for a healer and generally there are no firsttimers simple because the pool off experienced players is that much bigger. If you manage to get into 3 WP runs in a row where everyone is undergeared, has no clue and it's absolute panic then I think you won the lottery. It's so much more likely that you'd get 3 parties in a row where the other 3 people got relics and then aside from those people there's another massive pool off people that know what to do, got some DL pieces (thus already outgearing WP) and are simply farming their remaining DL before facing Titan.