Gender Locked Items (Lightning Edition)

[Alhanelem]

Why are you comparing the event quests in XI to those in XIV?

Because it's a fair comparison, as much as you try to twist it into not being one.

You're thinking about things done in XI but XI is not XIV, it's not the same team or engine either so using XI as a basis for your assumptions is wrong

XIV may not be XI, but there has been a lot of strong similarities in terms of how they going about implementing things in both games, and their thought/design processes. Plus everyone mocks and hates SE the same way and for the same reasons in both games.

I am no more wrong than anyone else here for assuming that they WON'T do it. The only arguments i've seen supporting repeating the event not happening are basically those that say something to the effect of "SE has a history of disappointing us, just look at XI."

I think you missed this bit, might want to clean your glasses.

No, I didn't miss that bit. I actually don't know of any FFXI events that were instantly repeatable. Tell me, how do you get multiple Cool New Event Item +1s? There were also many XI events that changed year after year- If you missed it one year you couldn't do it again the next.

Besides that fact, the FATEs are already repeatable and the weapons already reobtainable, so I don't see it as unreasonable or unrealistic for them to give one additional oppertunity to get the armors again.

Name me one repeatable quest in FFXIV.

Repeatable quests are coming in 2.1. Thus, they are prefectly capable of making a quest that can be repeated, and they intend to offer such a thing. This also does not say anything about whether or not they can reset a quest flag and make a concious decision to make a specific quest available to players again, as I'm certain they're capable of doing that.

No it isn't, I just proved to you why it isn't. You are the one twisting things, especially when your example uses a quest designed to be repeatable and compares it to one that is not.

Your opinion and proof are two different things.

[Shioban]

Because it's a fair comparison, as much as you try to twist it into not being one.

I think you missed this bit, might want to clean your glasses.

The event quests in XI were made to be repeatable - instantly repeatable. As soon as I completed the quest, I could do it again right away, literally the second after finishing it.

Name me one repeatable quest in FFXIV.

QUEST, not leves, not fates, not instances.

QUESTS.

I'm feeling some pangs of irony here, not to try and put a personal attack or anything, but you did say it yourself;

Sometimes the truth isn't what you want to hear, I guess. But that doesn't make it any less true.

Especially when the evidence isn't in your particular favour.

[EmSix]

Because it's a fair comparison, as much as you try to twist it into not being one.

No it isn't, I just proved to you why it isn't. You are the one twisting things, especially when your example uses a quest designed to be repeatable and compares it to one that is not.

[Boa-Noah]

XIV may not be XI, but there has been a lot of strong similarities in terms of how they going about implementing things in both games, and their thought/design processes.

No they really are not very similar at all, if they were people wouldn't constantly be moaning that XI is better than XIV, leveling is different, gearing is different, content is different, they really aren't that comparable when you look at them side to side.

Insofar there are no repeatable quests and there is no reason to assume they will change it for 1 event when changing it would leave players to gather duplicate gear that serves no purpose (something they want to avoid for obvious reasons.)

[EmSix]

Your opinion and proof are two different things.

Nothing that I posted is based off of my opinion.
It is not my opinion that the event quests in XI are repeatable, it is a fact. As soon as you completed the event quests in XI you could redo them instantly.
It is not my opinion that the event quests in XIV are not repeatable, it is a fact.
Maybe you should grab a dictionary and learn what an opinion is.

[Alhanelem]

The summer event was not a quest. Trading some ash to an NPC is not a quest. Trading Philosophy to Auriana is not a quest, trading Odin Mantles to Aelina is not a quest.

then you could just as easily argue that most of the FFXI events weren't quests either, because they weren't. Many of them did not appear in the quest log. BUt go ahead, keep arguing over semantics and not the actual topic of the godforsaken thread.

BOTH GAMES HAVE BOTH REPEATABLE AND NON REPEATABLE COMPONENTS TO EVENTS. Call them "quests," Call them "Minigames", call them undefinied pixlized pieces of crap, i don't care. it isn't relevant to the discussion.

The point is NONE OF THIS points to whether or not players will be able to do the quests again the second time they run this event. Your view on whether or not that will happen is an opinion, and nothing you can post here will change that. That opinion isn't necessarily right or wrong either. But it IS an opinion.

If not that's your proof right there, quests are not repeatable, fates and the event itself might be but the quests themselves, insofar, are not repeatable and thus the thread has a legitimate concern.

You state this as if quests can not be repatable or can not be made repeatable. You also state this as if they can't wipe the record of quest completion from our save data. There are a million ways they could let us do the event again, not the least of which is modify the quest to be repeatable or unflag it as completed when the next event hits. We are getting repeatable quests in pathc 2.1, they have the power to do this. Neither you nor anyone else can say with any certainty that they won't or can't.

Which is exactly what the OP (who you seem to be attacking) has been wanting, since the very start of this thread.

I don't get where I "seem" to be attacking the OP. I don't attack anybody. I make arguments for and against things. My view one way or the other on an issue is not an attack on anybody nor is it meant to be viewed as one.

The only thing I am "attacking" is the argument that we won't be able to do this event again if we completed it the first time. Nobody knows for sure whether we will or we wont, and I certainly hope we will. But you seem awfully convinced we won't despite there being no hard line facts or proof that show that we won't be able to. Stating "this quest is not repeatable" over and over does not change that. If anyone is against the OP it seems to be you since you seem to be arguing for the position that the OP won't be able to get what he wants.

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No need to get snippy because you were wrong,

I'm not wrong, so I'm not getting snippy about it. What I am getting snippy about is people completely missing the point of what this thread is about.

Nowhere did I say the OP doesn't have a valid concern. It is most certainly a valid concern. It is the people arguing with me right now who seem to be convinced that his concern will not be addressed, while offering no actual evidence to show that, and also making false assertions, like "Quests are not repeatable." when quests can indeed be repeatable, as we will be getting repeatable quests well before the event is scheduled to be run again.

I don't know for sure whether or not the OP will get his wish, I certainly hope he does and I'm pretty confident about it because SE has made multiple comments on the issue of gender items in the past, so they seem to be aware of the issue. All we have in this thread are a bunch of cynics fuming that SE probably won't do it because it's SE, and then BSing around about quests anret repeatable, this is a quest that isn't a quest bla bla bla bla bla when none of it has anything to do with whether or not the OP will get his wish.

SE clearly seems to be aware that there is an issue relating to gendered items, so I really don't see why you're all so sure they won't do anything about it.

[Boa-Noah]

BOTH GAMES HAVE BOTH REPEATABLE AND NON REPEATABLE COMPONENTS TO EVENTS. Call them "quests," Call them "Minigames", call them undefinied pixlized pieces of crap, i don't care. it isn't relevant to the discussion.

The point is NONE OF THIS points to whether or not players will be able to do the quests again the second time they run this event. Your view on whether or not that will happen is an opinion, and nothing you can post here will change that. That opinion isn't necessarily right or wrong either. But it IS an opinion.

No need to get snippy because you were wrong, the thread is here to voice a concern about how it will be handled and it is a valid concern given the way the rest of the game has handled the same thing previously, your initial remarks were that there is no basis for such a concern and you used XI as an example for how SE handled such things in the past, that was displayed to be an incorrect assumption.

There's nothing else to say.

You state this as if quests can not be repatable or can not be made repeatable. You also state this as if they can't wipe the record of quest completion from our save data. There are a million ways they could let us do the event again, not the least of which is modify the quest to be repeatable or unflag it as completed when the next event hits. We are getting repeatable quests in pathc 2.1, they have the power to do this. Neither you nor anyone else can say with any certainty that they won't or can't.

However there is a difference, as has been stated and as you have seen for yourself, so far (as in "SO FAR") there have not been any repeatable quests let alone repeatable quests that offer 'unique' armor as that poses the risk of sidling players with a duplicate set of gear that they cannot use or store in their inn chest, this was already an issue with players who had AF armor when they could repeat the AF quests.

The same issue is why you can't repeat the Halloween quest or why you couldn't start it if you already bought the simple ghost outfit from the vendor, the game won't let you get duplicates of gear so they'd need to program something that could distinguish between character genders upon the completion of the previous quest line and the same quest line when it later returns.

This is unlikely as gender determines what gear you get, not whether or not you've previously completed the quest as that gender.

-FFXIV uses the same system of elements except that light and dark do not directly exist
-FFXI uses virtually the same exact gear system. You have various different equipment in various different slots with various different stats that all have a level requirement and a set of jobs that can equip them. Both games are now using a mostly vertical item progression with item levels.
-The basic content is also highly similar. Both games have NMs (your opinion of FATE NMs is irrelevant, they are NMs, many of them are even the SAME NMs as in XI. FFXIV reuses many monsters that existed in XI, Dynamis is a single content and does not in any way represent content in XI in general, leveling is actually very similar in both games in XI's state for the last several years
-XIV shares some events in common with XI (e.g. Starlight Celebration) and both games have both repeatable and non-repeatable event elements.

Sorry but no.

- XI uses an elemental system where various magics and gear have specific affinities and weaknesses, utilizing a strong element is important, as is being protected from certain elements, XIV has no such system, there is no affinity for magics, gears, or enemies, in XI Ifrit would be healed by fire or otherwise nearly unaffected by it, in XIV Ifrit is as weak to fire as everything else since fire is not actually a 'fire' spell with a fire affinity, it is merely a damaging spell.
- Wrong again, XI had/has gear that are more than just stat sticks, some weapons boost certain attacks or give special resistances or other such stats that are more than just numbers, this is a pretty big difference in how the gear is handled in each game, especially if you look at the relics and what it took to earn them in each game, as well as how the relics were handled in an item leveling fashion, same with time of implementation.
- XIV does not have NMs, it has FATEs and FATE boss monsters, neither of which are very similar to NMs who would often drop rare or unique loot that made them worth fighting, XIV has increased XP and maybe a minion if you're lucky.
- The events are shared but how they are handled is not, if what was said in this thread has any bearing the simple fact that XI event quests were instantly repeatable speaks volumes about the differences here.

[Felis]

- XI uses an elemental system where various magics and gear have specific affinities and weaknesses, utilizing a strong element is important, as is being protected from certain elements, XIV has no such system, there is no affinity for magics, gears, or enemies, in XI Ifrit would be healed by fire or otherwise nearly unaffected by it, in XIV Ifrit is as weak to fire as everything else since fire is not actually a 'fire' spell with a fire affinity, it is merely a damaging spell.

But you can make yourself strong against fire

[Shioban]

Unessecarily long winded babble.

My only problem so far with this thread is the fact that you insist on hovering around the 'repetable' quest factor, when none exist.
How can I sit on my hands and smile with my skirt blowing in the wind waiting for the quest to pop come February when 'Oh wait it's not there' what a shocker!

then you could just as easily argue that most of the FFXI events weren't quests either, because they weren't. Many of them did not appear in the quest log. BUt go ahead, keep arguing over semantics and not the actual topic of the godforsaken thread.

BOTH GAMES HAVE BOTH REPEATABLE AND NON REPEATABLE COMPONENTS TO EVENTS. Call them "quests," Call them "Minigames", call them undefinied pixlized pieces of crap, i don't care. it isn't relevant to the discussion.

The developers haven't responded to this one yet, so no i'm not satisfied. They responded to a seperate semi-related issue however on the BETA forums and the Official ones.

You were the one who brought up the FFXI comparison did you not? Of course we're going to argue semantics if you're going to compare the two, people are going to call bluff.

It's a normal quest, and so far all the normal quests in game have no option to repeat them and or automatically re-flag.

Yes there are repeatable components to this game, FATES, Instances, Lalafell Extortion. Those aren't applicable.
The Lightning Event comprised of quests, which I have completed and have no option to currently repeat, so this presents a problem.



This isn't an opinion, this is fact. There are no repeatable 'normal' quests in ARR currently.

☆Homework for tomorrow! ☆

Find one quest (In your Journal!) that's a repeatable quest, either manually or automatically! I'm not talking about FFXI, WoW or Doki Doki Universe here let's keep on track, its a "QUEST" in FFXIV:ARR

One similar to this unrepeatable and complete one here in my journal!

Happy hunting!

[Zell1226]

It seems logical that they won't re-open the quest even if you change gender, because the quest already is flagged that you have completed it. When they re-open it again, it'll just be another chance for players who missed out the first time.