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    Machiavelli's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pesmergia View Post
    You don't press the same buttons in WoW, in THIS game you do. Literally all they're is to tanking is, spamming the same 3 buttons, and rotating in the same 4 cooldowns, which can all be macrod.
    You rlly think WOW isn;t pressing the same buttons over and over? lol WoW has the same thing goin for it rotation wise. wow is pressing the same buttons over and over no matter what class/role
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pesmergia View Post
    Literally all they're is to tanking is, spamming the same 3 buttons, and rotating in the same 4 cooldowns, which can all be macrod.

    Healing is all about the same 5 healing spells over and over, Cure, Cure 2, Medica 1 and Medica 2, and regen on WHM. I think this is the "ape" game friend.

    And 1.5 sec gcd gives you plenty of time to think, unless you're so slow you need a 2.5 second gcd to think, then this game would be perfect for you.
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Compendium-2.0
    THANK YOU, someone who finally realizes this as well. You have no idea how many time I've been shot down by people for simply stating that. Tanking is literally three buttons, always done in the same order with Flash thrown in.Pop CD when necessary. Healing is even more boring, on my Scholar I just manually spam my fairy's Embrace spell and toss out a Physick when needed. Obviously it gets a little more hectic in content thats a little more difficult like Titan or Coils but it basically boils down to pressing one or two buttons.

    I think all the people defending it have only ever played XI and haven't experienced an MMO with a decent GCD. This isn't FF Tactics where you can examine the battlefield, predict where an enemy will be moving to and which attacks to use on which enemies. In this game you have your set DPS rotation with an instant cast while moving generally. Having a super long GCD doesn't force you to consider your next move. As a Scholar it is about 80% chance that my next ability will be Physick. Tank gets hit really hard, Adlo. As a DPS if you get forced to move the GCD doesn't give you time to consider your next move - you'll just try to use the ability you interrupted, or start your 3 attack combo again.

    Literally the ONLY pre-planning I've experienced so far, where you actually have to time things properly is Titan HM as a healer. As a Scholar I have to pre-bubble people before stomps, MB, the jump, etc. If you get stuck in the GCD as stomps are starting it can be bad.

    Personally, I've temporarily quit the game. I didn't rush, I leveled crafts and gathering classes and THEN I leveled my combat class to 50. I didn't FATE grind, I didn't power level with levequests. But I'm bored of farming AK and WP endlessly, and I'm getting bored of the healing in this game, the only fight being fun is Titan HM and that's because of mechanics, not class abilities. Yes, I played WoW but I have to say healing was fun. As opposed to my total of 4 heals and a few buffs/utility spells, a healer in WoW had an entire action bar full of just healing abilities, each with an individual use and role to fill, along with buffs. Same with tanking.
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    C'mon guys, give it up - the GCD isn't changing and this same tired arguement has gotten beyond stale. FFXIV is an RPG, not an action-game where you button mash as fast as possible. SE tried that with 1.0's original battle system, and it failed, miserably (auto-attack was added in a patch, the stupid 'stamina gauge' was removed completely and abilities were changed radically to compensate). FFXI's battle system just dragged things out into monotony where your character was basically left on autoattack to build up TP and then occasionally use a weaponskill (or other ability).

    Of course, there has to be a happy balance reached, but despite the flaws ARR's system isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    C'mon guys, give it up - the GCD isn't changing and this same tired arguement has gotten beyond stale. FFXIV is an RPG, not an action-game where you button mash as fast as possible. SE tried that with 1.0's original battle system, and it failed, miserably (auto-attack was added in a patch, the stupid 'stamina gauge' was removed completely and abilities were changed radically to compensate). FFXI's battle system just dragged things out into monotony where your character was basically left on autoattack to build up TP and then occasionally use a weaponskill (or other ability).

    Of course, there has to be a happy balance reached, but despite the flaws ARR's system isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.
    Yes and Rift is an MMORPG, and with a 1.5 second gcd system. (Rogues in Rift have a 1 second gcd) Warhammer had a 1.5 second gcd system. WoW has a 1.5 second gcd system. Aion had a 1.5 second gcd system. Basically every MMO but FFXIV has it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pesmergia View Post
    The GCD in this game puts me to sleep, and makes everything way too easy.
    If your that bored than clearly MMORPGs ain't your style(at-least this one). May I suggest sticking to FPSs or PvP games.
    You never played FFXI?? How much faster do you want ARR to be, do you think it can be much faster?

    Please, enlighten us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSxpert2011 View Post
    If your that bored than clearly MMORPGs ain't your style(at-least this one). May I suggest sticking to FPSs or PvP games.
    You never played FFXI?? How much faster do you want ARR to be, do you think it can be much faster?

    Please, enlighten us!
    Quote Originally Posted by Pesmergia View Post
    You don't press the same buttons in WoW, in THIS game you do. Literally all they're is to tanking is, spamming the same 3 buttons, and rotating in the same 4 cooldowns, which can all be macrod.

    Healing is all about the same 5 healing spells over and over, Cure, Cure 2, Medica 1 and Medica 2, and regen on WHM. I think this is the "ape" game friend.

    And 1.5 sec gcd gives you plenty of time to think, unless you're so slow you need a 2.5 second gcd to think
    FYI bolding text when you're too lazy to already see I have posted the information before you ask it (see I can bold too), only proves to make you look like you have ADD.
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    lol I prefer ffxi's game play over this games, but that being said what bores me about this game is lack of Party interactivity that ffxi had, no skill chains or magic bursts, it's just spam skills, and for pld one combo over over again, plus a few other skills to maintain hate. The GCD doesn't bother me on this game, it's the lack of fun group events, so I'm waiting for more things to be added. But this is my opinion, which is what "I" like so if you disagree that's all you. you guys seem to get your panties in a bunch over an opinion. the OP has the right to think what he does, he'll either get over it or find something new to play. I know most of you don't agree with my views on the game which is fine. There's my 2 cents.
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    Either you make the game slow (like 1.0) or you make the game fast (like WoW, Rift etc). There is no middle thing that works.

    The combat in this game is so slow, unresponsive and dull that it feels like an ancient type of game. The main problem isn't even the GCD (though, it plays a major role), the problem is delays and animation locks in the combat system itself. I can stand at one spot and wait until there's 0.5 sec left for the cast to finish, and the cast will still go off. When I cast my dots, there's a slight delay before they appear on the mob/boss. When I activate instant abilities, they feel like they really aren't instant.

    Fast-paced thinking it's what it's all about these days, and this game fails so horribly at it. When PvP goes live, you'll be able to see every move that's being executed, because the combat is so slow and dull. There's no need for anticipation, because you already know what's going to happen. The combat sucks and doesn't fit in a modern MMO. If anything, it actually dumbs down the game by a lot. The slow combat is also why they have to nerf classes such as Bard because the rules of combat don't apply to them.

    The combat in this game is literally the least engaging combat I've seen in any modern MMO. This isn't chess.
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    Last edited by Imoye; 11-20-2013 at 09:05 AM.

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    Imoye, you clearly haven't played FFXI then - there combat is literally so slow you could step away from the computer, leaving your character on autoattack, and come back a few minutes later after visiting the kitchen and bathroom and still be fine (you could easily chat with other players during combat too for this reason). ARR on the other hand is so fast paced that's virtually impossible.

    Once again, as per my earlier comment, it seems you just want a buttonmash fest like a fighting game and are upset that ARR's combat isn't that. Well then, maybe you should evaluate your reasons for playing FFXIV then as it's obvious this game isn't for you, because FFXIV is not an action game - it's an RPG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    So... you just want to smash buttons every second with no logical planning out your skills with cooldowns.
    Cool story bro. Go play a different game that takes little to no skill then instead of staying here and crying.
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