Real class balance feedback please

[Nuffy]

@EasymodeX

You must raid with some really bad BLM's.

[EasymodeX]

@EasymodeX

You must raid with some really bad BLM's.

Obviously I'm bad and our BLM is worse. Luckily our Summoner can single-handedly carry our raid's DPS, since our Bard is even worse than our scrubby selves.

[Nuffy]

Obviously I'm bad and our BLM is worse. Luckily our Summoner can single-handedly carry our raid's DPS, since our Bard is even worse than our scrubby selves.

Lol. Xxxxxxxxx

[NeoAmon]

@EasymodeX

You must raid with some really bad BLM's.

My thought exactly. This is why I deleted my previous post, what is the point? We are not even on the same server to show him what can a BLM do.

EasymodeX, one last note, I seriously don't want to offend you but when you said "No one gives a shit about a BLM's average damage per hit" that gave me a very good reason to stop the conversation with ya because this is one of the dumpest statements I have ever read in FFXIV forums.

Edit: If you wish to base your statements on solid facts next time, please do use this chart as it is the very best one currently for BLMs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...TDVkM1E#gid=36

[Nuffy]

My thought exactly. This is why I deleted my previous post, what is the point? We are not even on the same server to show him what can a BLM do.

EasymodeX, one last note, I seriously don't want to offend you but when you said "No one gives a shit about a BLM's average damage per hit" that gave me a very good reason to stop the conversation with ya because this is one of the dumpest statements I have ever read in FFXIV forums.

I don't really know what a BLM can do, but ours tops charts on every fight and our dps comp is solid so it's not really anything but the class. Not really blowing anyone out of the water, but has a noticeable step up on the rest of the group. That's why I tell him no more Foe Requiem ever again.

[NeoAmon]

I don't really know what a BLM can do, but ours tops charts on every fight and our dps comp is solid so it's not really anything but the class. Not really blowing anyone out of the water, but has a noticeable step up on the rest of the group. That's why I tell him no more Foe Requiem ever again.

This is the same exact situation in my group. Foe Requiem helps but it is not the reason, I keep telling players that it is because BLM is a burst job and scale insanely well with ilvl90 gear...but no one here seems to believe me.

[Genesiser]

When you say you outdps the others, are you the one using the limit break? I'm not trying to say you are wrong, just saying that using the limit break gives a pretty big bump to your dps.

[EasymodeX]

Hey guys, average damage on a random attack is really meaningful to a damage per second discussion.

I don't really know what a BLM can do, but ours tops charts on every fight and our dps comp is solid so it's not really anything but the class. Not really blowing anyone out of the water, but has a noticeable step up on the rest of the group. That's why I tell him no more Foe Requiem ever again.

You must raid with some really bad #everyotherDPSinthegame.

Our SMN tops every ST chart on every fight, and our DPS comp is solid so it's not really anything but the class.

Not really blowing anyone out of the water, but has a noticeable step up on the rest of the group.

[NeoAmon]

Hey guys, average damage on a random attack is really meaningful to a damage per second discussion.

sigh, since when did Fire 3 do 700? Fire 3 does 1k+ none crit, avg dmg = Fire I avg dmg.

[Allyrion]

sigh, since when did Fire 3 do 700? Fire 3 does 1k+ none crit, avg dmg = Fire I avg dmg.

The damage of each of the BLM's attacks have to scale well.
The damage gained to each cast has to be equal to the damage gained from multiple damage sources that the other classes use such as dots, auto attacks and more abilities per minute.
The regen phase and transitions also break up the damage greatly. BLM is simply designed to allow for otherwise ridiculous numbers.

THAT SAID
I do wonder about the scaling, but I haven't tested it enough to go one way or the other.
I'll take the word of more experienced people that it's not horribly imbalanced.

My own experience, however, is that in turn 4 I was doing around 280 in all darklight except for pants and belt (they were AK) and relic (no +1 since all myth goes to my monk).
I also had a cheap HQ zircon ring (bite me).
Then I replaced the ring with a ilvl90 from turn 1.
Next time in turn 4, I was doing 330-350 consistently.

NOTE
I am not comparing these numbers to other classes. AoE is number padding, so I'm only comparing to myself.
I think this is simply a byproduct of how AoE works in this game since there is no max damage cap.
It's pretty crazy though, and my single target did go up considerably.

I'm not saying the scaling is imbalanced, but every upgrade for a BLM feels pretty meaningful.
I'm not just talking about its big numbers per hit, but dps wise.
I haven't seen a BLM that's very geared, but I'd like to to see how they stand.