Real class balance feedback please

[NeoAmon]

oh god. Monk and SMN => best dps in single target. SMN best dps in multi-target (not talking about aoe, i'm talking about 1-4 mobs). Dragoon, decent single target dps and second in aoe. BLM decent in ST, first in aoe. Bard : decent in both.

I'm quite sure BLm is way above decent when it comes to single target.

[Nemhy]

I'm quite sure BLm is way above decent when it comes to single target.

they are, they come out on top compared to summoner in turn 5

[EasymodeX]

I'm quite certain BLMs are distinctly average / on par with the middle of the pack at single target DPS.

E.g. they get crushed by Summoners and Monks.

[NeoAmon]

I'm quite certain BLMs are distinctly average / on par with the middle of the pack at single target DPS.

E.g. they get crushed by Summoners and Monks.

Yeah...no. Not in Coil at least.

Edit: This is not about "my job > all" It is just the way it is, BLM with 17+% Crit chance & avg dmg 700+ are really evil.

Edit 2: Just too clarify my statement, @ ilvl 70 DL/HQ crafted, yes I agree BLMs single target is less than SMN/MNK. However, because they are a burst job, they scale damn well with 7+ ilvl90 and their avg dmg becomes insane.

[Shamirah]

Yeah...no. Not in Coil at least.

Edit: This is not about "my job > all" It is just the way it is, BLM with 17+% Crit chance are really evil.

Tell me where BLM outdamages summoner ? Turn 1 ? no way. Turn 2 ? No way. Turn 3 ? Maybe if you do the trash.... Turn 4 ? I don't think blm outdamages SMN but I also not 100% sure.

[NeoAmon]

Tell me where BLM outdamages summoner ? Turn 1 ? no way. Turn 2 ? No way. Turn 3 ? Maybe if you do the trash.... Turn 4 ? I don't think blm outdamages SMN but I also not 100% sure.

Every single Turn with no exceptions what so ever.

[Nuffy]

Every single Turn with no exceptions what so ever.

Yup 10charyolo

[Shamirah]

Every single Turn with no exceptions what so ever.

You just proved right here that you don't know what you are talking about. Tell me how you can beat a SMN on Turn 1 ? Where there's two targets ? explain to me plox.

And seriously, I can say the same thing to you : your SMN must be bad.

But stay in your perfect world... if that's what you want.

[EasymodeX]

I've almost never been outparsed by a BLM in a single target fight on my DRG.

It's usually pretty close.

BLM with 17+% Crit chance & avg dmg 700+ are really evil.

No one gives a shit about a BLM's "average damage per hit".

Turn 4 ? I don't think blm outdamages SMN but I also not 100% sure.

Turn 4 can go either way depending on how the fight is executed. The more the BLM is contributing to phase 1 and 4, the more the BLM can win the parse. The more the SMN is contributing to phase 2, 3, 5, and 6, the more they can win the parse. Overall, the higher the group's DPS and the more assistance the mages get from physical on their targets, the more the BLM will win over the SMN (because the targets will get bursted down faster). BLMs also inherently have a good bit of RNG with Firestarter.

There are several other minor factors.

For example, if a SMN gets their bane on spinner rooks (which tend to die pretty fast, before spiders), they're going to lose meaningful chunks of DPS. If the BLM and/or SMN are kiting soldiers, they will reduce DPS. If the tanks get clockworks in range for Bane (I'm not sure on the radius of Bane, actually), then that can be an advantage for the SMN. Etc etc.

If you do the double dreadnought approach, the SMN can gain an advantage from dual DOT targets. If you do single dreadnoughts, that advantage is lost.