Stronger punishments for bailing

[Darkwerk]

IMHO the problem is having a duty finder at all. Community was much tighter when you had to earn a reputation and then stand out front of the dungeon with everyone else and LF new groups if you were a problem player. Sure popping into a dungeon from anyplace makes life "easy" but the trade off for that is what we have here. At the very least we need to have server only option. IMHO however toss the whole thing out and let do some traveling to dungeons again.

[Grailer]

If the penalty were as long or longer than it takes for the dungeon to end, people who want to grief could just sit it out and afk until the dungeon's timer runs out. And being the first to legitly leave due to that would lock you out for even longer.

This would actually be horrible.

People in WP ask for speedrun this is in a DF , I inspect them half the group has pink gear and white crafted jewellery with no materia in sockets . clearly they are lvling up to meld .

So I pull 3 groups we wipe, the person asking for speedrun starts abusing people calling me or healer a n00b . Im wearing full darklight and +1 relic and didn't lose agro on any mobs so I figured the healer was really weak or something .

Do I a) carry on and ignore the abuse b) quit and take a 15 min cooldown c) go take a shit and come back later hope the abusing person has left .

[Grailer]

IMHO the problem is having a duty finder at all. Community was much tighter when you had to earn a reputation and then stand out front of the dungeon with everyone else and LF new groups if you were a problem player.

Exactly , when you had to shout to find group it was hard to get group if you were on everyones ignore list because you were toxic. This was how it was in Everquest , you built a rep .. leaving group without helping group find replacement or going afk without asking first was frowned upon . This is back in the day when you would ask to go on a list to get into group to camp bosses some which were rare spawn etc .

Now its join DF instant group for tank , never see the same group of people twice ... no loyality , no friends, no reputation gained .. nothing at all .

A smarter DF system would allow
1. black list players
2. befriend players ( DF would automatically try to group you with those players again )
3. Allow you to give reputation points or some sort of rep system for players you had good run with etc

[Pojosama]

The problem i just had 15 minutes ago in Stone Vigil are what make that difficult to implement. The healer sits in one spot and says "you are not geared enough for this dungeon and I wont heal you." I think its ridiculous that i had to be over geared to do a dungeon that's my level. I told him such and he told me to leave. I followed his request and so I had to wait the 15 minutes. The person i feel bad for leaving is the DPS characters who wanted to just get it done .

[Grailer]

The problem i just had 15 minutes ago in Stone Vigil are what make that difficult to implement. The healer sits in one spot and says "you are not geared enough for this dungeon and I wont heal you." I think its ridiculous that i had to be over geared to do a dungeon that's my level. I told him such and he told me to leave. I followed his request and so I had to wait the 15 minutes. The person i feel bad for leaving is the DPS characters who wanted to just get it done .

bit lame that the healer didn't just leave first to be honest . Ive waited for ages sometimes as healer for group , I get into the group inspect tank and realise that it's going to be ugly trying to keep them alive and actually complete dungeon . At that point I just leave and go fate farming, usually another healer will be in que and hopefully they are more skilled than I am .