Limsa Lominsa oathbreakers?

[VisRalis]

... yet we kill him why? why are we so evil?

Because primals, bad.
Primals drain aether (lifestream)
Eorzeans need aether (life).

Some plot device like that.

Its not really a negotiable point as Eorzea depends on aether.
But the beast-races being not so smart(?) worship and are summoning Primals (who drain aether).
So there's no middle ground for talks.

[FJerome]

Because primals, bad.
Primals drain aether (lifestream)
Eorzeans need aether (life).

Some plot device like that.

Its not really a negotiable point as Eorzea depends on aether.
But the beast-races being not so smart(?) worship and are summoning Primals (who drain aether).
So there's no middle ground for talks.

But the Primals aren't draining the aether from living beings, tempering just creates more followers to provide more belief. What they're draining aether from is just crystals so it's more a case of "Oh no! The beast tribes attacked my shard shipment and now I can't cook dinner unless I start a fire the old-fashioned way!"

[Toranja]

Life is Aether made manifest. Aether is Life. By consuming aether, the Primals are enemies of Life itself.

Think of it in terms of the Lifestream and the Mako reactors from FFVII, and follow it with Bugenhagen's explanation of the Lifestream.

[FJerome]

Life is Aether made manifest. Aether is Life. By consuming aether, the Primals are enemies of Life itself.

Think of it in terms of the Lifestream and the Mako reactors from FFVII, and follow it with Bugenhagen's explanation of the Lifestream.

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

[jomoru]

Because primals, bad.
Primals drain aether (lifestream)
Eorzeans need aether (life).

Some plot device like that.

Its not really a negotiable point as Eorzea depends on aether.
But the beast-races being not so smart(?) worship and are summoning Primals (who drain aether).
So there's no middle ground for talks.

More like "the beast tribes got a ritual for the Ascadians and using it tend to mess things up amazingly". It seems to be pretty clear that if the same ritual were used on one of the 12 one would create similar problems.

[saber_alter]

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

they still suck aether from everywhere else...they require crystals because the background aether is too spread out and can't sustain them alone.

[Skies]

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

Difference:
Primals consume aether. Nothing else consumes, burns it, things are made of it, but not consumed.
The aether used by crystals in crafting eventually returns to the land as the crafted item decays with time. Aether consumed by primals is gone, forever.

Aether is not an infinite resource, much like petrol

[FJerome]

Difference:
Primals consume aether. Nothing else consumes, burns it, things are made of it, but not consumed.
The aether used by crystals in crafting eventually returns to the land as the crafted item decays with time. Aether consumed by primals is gone, forever.

Aether is not an infinite resource, much like petrol

Unless it's stated otherwise in canon the aether returning to the land with the decay of the item doesn't seem like that's what's happening - if a synthesis fails the crystal shards are always consumed, even in cases when the other crafting materials survive for reuse.

[Cycloptichorn]

I love the lore surrounding Kobolds - in the Blacksmith questline (I think, might be Armorer), they explain that the metal 'Cobalt' actually comes from the word 'Kobold,' because that's how Eorzeans first got ahold of it - by trading with the Beastmen!

The Kobolds probably regret giving us the metal now...

Moral of the story: never trade.

[Toranja]

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

Using aether to cook cookies is one thing, depleting the land of all its aether is another.

I love the lore surrounding Kobolds - in the Blacksmith questline (I think, might be Armorer), they explain that the metal 'Cobalt' actually comes from the word 'Kobold,' because that's how Eorzeans first got ahold of it - by trading with the Beastmen!

The Kobolds probably regret giving us the metal now...

Moral of the story: never trade.

Crotchrot is a known collateral damage from trade.