Limsa Lominsa oathbreakers?

[Enkidoh]

Ramuh was ultimately judged not to be a threat because of the political schism in sylvan society - after the player rescues the sylph elder from Toto-Rak, the untempered sylphs vowed to continue to uphold their alliance with Gridania, and it was shown the tempered ones will only show venom (i.e. summon Ramuh), if the Sylphlands/Moonspore Grove is directly threatened. As Gridania already treats the forest with reverence, there would be little need for any Gridanian to need to enter that part of the Shroud, hence it was decided that Ramuh could be ignored for the time being.

Additionally, resources has a lot to do with it as well - the Scions only had so many members to investigate the Primals, and hence were dispatched to deal with the ones regarded as the most threatening (it's why they also left the sahagin alone - as their intelligence indicated the sahagin lacked a crystal supply to summon Leviathan, so there was no point to stir up that hornet's nest).

[Toranja]

Wut?... Ramuh was never put to rest. He's still in the Shroud. That's in the questline. We leave him alone because our resources are stretched fin and we cannot afford a war with the Sylphs.

It is also in the questline that we stop some tempered sylphs from kidnapping Claxio to be tempered by Ramuh.

[jomoru]

Wut?... Ramuh was never put to rest. He's still in the Shroud. That's in the questline. We leave him alone because our resources are stretched fin and we cannot afford a war with the Sylphs.

It is also in the questline that we stop some tempered sylphs from kidnapping Claxio to be tempered by Ramuh.

That's not what the quest says. It says that they are spreading the tempering. Ramuh is not there, and they are incapable of summoning him again. its made very clear. That is the difference between that and Titan. IF Ramuh were there we'd fight him.

[Toranja]

Life is Aether made manifest. Aether is Life. By consuming aether, the Primals are enemies of Life itself.

Think of it in terms of the Lifestream and the Mako reactors from FFVII, and follow it with Bugenhagen's explanation of the Lifestream.

[FJerome]

Life is Aether made manifest. Aether is Life. By consuming aether, the Primals are enemies of Life itself.

Think of it in terms of the Lifestream and the Mako reactors from FFVII, and follow it with Bugenhagen's explanation of the Lifestream.

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

[saber_alter]

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

they still suck aether from everywhere else...they require crystals because the background aether is too spread out and can't sustain them alone.

[Skies]

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

Difference:
Primals consume aether. Nothing else consumes, burns it, things are made of it, but not consumed.
The aether used by crystals in crafting eventually returns to the land as the crafted item decays with time. Aether consumed by primals is gone, forever.

Aether is not an infinite resource, much like petrol

[FJerome]

Difference:
Primals consume aether. Nothing else consumes, burns it, things are made of it, but not consumed.
The aether used by crystals in crafting eventually returns to the land as the crafted item decays with time. Aether consumed by primals is gone, forever.

Aether is not an infinite resource, much like petrol

Unless it's stated otherwise in canon the aether returning to the land with the decay of the item doesn't seem like that's what's happening - if a synthesis fails the crystal shards are always consumed, even in cases when the other crafting materials survive for reuse.

[Cycloptichorn]

I love the lore surrounding Kobolds - in the Blacksmith questline (I think, might be Armorer), they explain that the metal 'Cobalt' actually comes from the word 'Kobold,' because that's how Eorzeans first got ahold of it - by trading with the Beastmen!

The Kobolds probably regret giving us the metal now...

Moral of the story: never trade.

[Toranja]

Yes but crafting items also consumes crystallized Aether, sometimes hundreds of shards on a single item. Using the teleport system consumes Aether.

It's not whether or not the Primals are causing a problem, it's whether Limsa has any moral high-ground on the Kobolds and in my view they don't.

Using aether to cook cookies is one thing, depleting the land of all its aether is another.

I love the lore surrounding Kobolds - in the Blacksmith questline (I think, might be Armorer), they explain that the metal 'Cobalt' actually comes from the word 'Kobold,' because that's how Eorzeans first got ahold of it - by trading with the Beastmen!

The Kobolds probably regret giving us the metal now...

Moral of the story: never trade.

Crotchrot is a known collateral damage from trade.