Limsa Lominsa oathbreakers?

[Enkidoh]

Regardless of how benevolent Titan seems or whoever broke the treaty first, the reason the player is dispatched by Minfilia to take Titan down is because he is a Primal period. All the Primals are a threat to Hydaelyn's existence, being aetheric sponges who absorb aether each time they're summoned. Ultimately, there is a bigger picture here than just petty border squabbles between a bunch of barely-reformed pirates and the beastmen - the whole world's future is at stake.

[Urielparadox]

That whole section is super fishy to me and it really made no since why we left ramuh alone. Also when you kill a primal it's aether returns to the life stream and it's able to be re-summoned so why not just leave titan alone until he actually becomes a problem like we do with ramuh? They even say since ramuhs not harshly tempering and not out taking over the lands that we should just let him be for now until he becomes threat because its better for our resources and the planet, and that the sylph could respond badly and just make him stronger then before, as he is not a threat to Eorzea yet they found no need to risk angering him and the black sylph, so why aggravate the Kobald forcing them to summon titan when we could have left them alone like we did with sylphs?

[Urielparadox]

If the aether returns to the lifestream why does it matter if hes smned as long as he is killed? or lock them in crystals like odin since the tech existed at one point in 12woods to do so.

No one thought it strange that the Kobald seem un-tempered and only call forth Titan because they don't think they can protect themselves? unlike the others who were obviously tmpred. They summon titan and run away, all the tmpred people stay around or get absorbed usually.T and R's scenario are so different then the others, that it really stands out to me as being weird and holding some major clues. The scions are to judge for themselves whether we actually see Titan as a threat and are supposed to be completely independent of the 3 nations, as we are not at the mercy of a nation so why do we blindly kill titan for one? Their may have been non movie npc text I missed that I can't figure out how to go back and relive, I really feel like their are some major answers hidden within these stories.

[Enkidoh]

Ramuh was ultimately judged not to be a threat because of the political schism in sylvan society - after the player rescues the sylph elder from Toto-Rak, the untempered sylphs vowed to continue to uphold their alliance with Gridania, and it was shown the tempered ones will only show venom (i.e. summon Ramuh), if the Sylphlands/Moonspore Grove is directly threatened. As Gridania already treats the forest with reverence, there would be little need for any Gridanian to need to enter that part of the Shroud, hence it was decided that Ramuh could be ignored for the time being.

Additionally, resources has a lot to do with it as well - the Scions only had so many members to investigate the Primals, and hence were dispatched to deal with the ones regarded as the most threatening (it's why they also left the sahagin alone - as their intelligence indicated the sahagin lacked a crystal supply to summon Leviathan, so there was no point to stir up that hornet's nest).

[jomoru]

That whole section is super fishy to me and it really made no since why we left ramuh alone. Also when you kill a primal it's aether returns to the life stream and it's able to be re-summoned so why not just leave titan alone until he actually becomes a problem like we do with ramuh? They even say since ramuhs not harshly tempering and not out taking over the lands that we should just let him be for now until he becomes threat because its better for our resources and the planet, and that the sylph could respond badly and just make him stronger then before, as he is not a threat to Eorzea yet they found no need to risk angering him and the black sylph, so why aggravate the Kobald forcing them to summon titan when we could have left them alone like we did with sylphs?

We don't leave Ramuh alone. The Sylphs summoned him and he's no longer there. If the purple Sylphs were summoning him as the others we'd be punching him(as we probably will in 2.2)

[Toranja]

If you watch the titan 2.0 video it appears that the Kobald aren't tempered and titan isn't summoned until you arrive and the kobald state that you are invading their territoy and they want to defend it. Titan gets summoned tempers no one, and only attacks you because you threatened "his kind" If we look at the story we leave ramuh alone because unlike ifrit/garuda he isn't trying to take over anything or expand his reach. Titan didn't even temper anyone, and was purely trying to defend his people from us overstepping our bounds, yet we kill him why? why are we so evil?

Because he would then table-flip Limsa. Kill a primal or watch Bango Zango die? If I was given the option...

But yes, Limsa started this by violating the treaty. There's even a FATE that mentions this. And Y'shtola was rather snarky about this a couple of times.

[Skyhound]

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Ramuh actually HAS been summoned, but has decided to stay in the Sylphlands unless provoked. The issue with the Kobolds, is that they are much more quick to aggression than the Sylphs are. The last time Titan was summoned, he DID attack Limsa Lominsa. Thus, the attack on Titan (hehe) was a knee jerk reaction once the treaty was broken. Though, they acted with the information that Titan was already summoned, so clearly something is amiss here.

I personally feel like the rest of the GCs important members will have something to do with this. Yes, there are characters in them besides their leaders. Especially for a GC like Maelstrom, I wouldn't be surprised if the second in command was in league with the Ascians to do whatever he can to discredit the Admiral and take her place. That is how the Admiral came to power in the first place. It will probably be revealed when we fight Leviathan.

[jomoru]

Ramuh actually HAS been summoned, but has decided to stay in the Sylphlands unless provoked. .

Yes Ramuh was summoned, But he's no longer there. The Sylphs are incappable of summoning him again. This is mentioned in the questline. This is very different from Titan.

When Ramuh is actually summoned again we will punch him in the face.

[Toranja]

Wut?... Ramuh was never put to rest. He's still in the Shroud. That's in the questline. We leave him alone because our resources are stretched fin and we cannot afford a war with the Sylphs.

It is also in the questline that we stop some tempered sylphs from kidnapping Claxio to be tempered by Ramuh.

[jomoru]

Wut?... Ramuh was never put to rest. He's still in the Shroud. That's in the questline. We leave him alone because our resources are stretched fin and we cannot afford a war with the Sylphs.

It is also in the questline that we stop some tempered sylphs from kidnapping Claxio to be tempered by Ramuh.

That's not what the quest says. It says that they are spreading the tempering. Ramuh is not there, and they are incapable of summoning him again. its made very clear. That is the difference between that and Titan. IF Ramuh were there we'd fight him.