Limsa Lominsa oathbreakers?

[Ramzal]

So I ran through Titan NM to help random people in the duty finder and watched the cutscene over again to notice that the Kobolds called the people of Limsa Lominsa "Oath breakers." Now, I wasn't around for 1.0 and there are a few details that I'm unclear about as far as that goes. What oath did the people of Limsa Lominsa break with the Kobolds that would raise enough ire for them to constantly summon Titan to wreck them?

[Urthdigger]

This is actually brought up in the quests leading up to Titan. Basically, Limsa Lominsa had a peace treaty with the kobolds... but then they got greedy, and took some of the kobolds' land, breaking the treaty. Basically, in the little war the kobolds and Limsa Lominsans have, the nation struck first!

[Skyhound]

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Is that really how it was explained? I remember it being explained differently.

From my memory, that is what happened the first time Titan was summoned. When the Company of Heroes took him down, they signed another treaty. This time, Maelstrom receiver intel that he was being summoned again. This effectively broke the treaty in Maelstrom's eyes. Yet, he wasn't summoned until the player shows up which implies that it was done in self defense.

I could be remembering it incorrectly. If I'm not, then it means that someone in Maelstrom wanted to break the treaty and used the Scions to do it. Someone possibly of Ascian origin. It would explain why Y'shtola felt the need to investigate The Navel further.

[Urthdigger]

The landgrab happened BEFORE the events of ARR, prompting the present-day animosity between the two groups. You are not lied to during the quest, the intel is indeed accurate. In the eyes of the kobolds though, they are fighting back to dissuade further attacks from Limsa Lominsa. Basically, Limsa kicked a hornet's nest and ran to the Scions when they started to sting.

[Urielparadox]

If you watch the titan 2.0 video it appears that the Kobald aren't tempered and titan isn't summoned until you arrive and the kobald state that you are invading their territoy and they want to defend it. Titan gets summoned tempers no one, and only attacks you because you threatened "his kind" If we look at the story we leave ramuh alone because unlike ifrit/garuda he isn't trying to take over anything or expand his reach. Titan didn't even temper anyone, and was purely trying to defend his people from us overstepping our bounds, yet we kill him why? why are we so evil?

[Urthdigger]

As I recall, we're sent there because we know they've been gathering resources in order to summon Titan. While Ramuh isn't trying to take over anything, Titan is... sorta. Since Limsa Lominsa broke the treaty by performing an act of aggression against the kobolds, the kobolds then feel justified in fighting back. Limsa Lominsa knows the kobolds will strike back, it's just a matter of when. And they'd rather the kobolds not hit back with a primal.

[Urielparadox]

But titan is more sentient and less primal then shivah and ifrit. He doesn't rage he just wants to protect. He doesn't temper as he feels his people will support him of their own free will for his tidings to them. I don't think titan or the kobald would have attacked Limsa Lominsa and unfortunatly the deserve it instead of being selfish and treat the beastmen poorly, unlike with Ramuh who has slaves everywhere and is already draining aether... It doesn't match up I feel like I was sent to do Limsa Lominsa's dirty work and clean up their mess and we are just being used.

[Urthdigger]

Yeah, Limsa's a bunch of jerks. There's a reason I stick to the Twelveswood. Especially after all the crap I saw picking my GC back in 1.0.

[C-croft]

Doesn't Admiral mkjberubv(forgot how to spell her name) admit that Limsa overstepped their bounds, but cannot afford to have Titan wrecking them?

[TychoCelchu]

Doesn't Admiral mkjberubv(forgot how to spell her name) admit that Limsa overstepped their bounds, but cannot afford to have Titan wrecking them?

Yeah. When you do this quest she's basically like 'Yeah, we f***ed up big time and don't have the ability to do anything about it. Take care of this, will you?"