The Solo disease?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

If you need to be right, then call yourself right. I'm not going to try to explain to you why I posted it, or how it was relevant to what you posted prior, or what it has to do with the discussion at hand, that'd be a waste of my time.

Pretty much in the context you used it, you trying to correct what I said. Not giving off any point to what you meant.

[Wynn]

idm a solo friendly mmo just not a soloable mmo. Those mmo only have solo aspects and if you choose to want to group you are pretty much laughed off the game. No one groups in solo-able mmo. Trust me I played more then my fair share of them.

If nobody groups when groups are not forced, what does that really say about people and grouping?

[Radaghast]

Solo's fine so long as it doesn't detract from group play. Grouping together should always yield more benefits than simply soloing. It's the whole point of group play.

You don't see more groups in this game because of the horrible way organizational tools are set up, as well as slow respawn rates on most mobs + base sp weirdness. That and fail leve's pretty much dominates. There's no real reason to go out and do groups like you saw in 11 right now.

[Zenaku]

What i dislike about people who solo is when you ask them to party to do leves they say no i'm soloing -.- also have this happen to you in ffxiv? my gf /tell a person who soloing that she going to give him/she full set of gear for her/his level and the person said no thanks o.o what have this world come too that ppl don't want free stuff.

[Nabiri]

my gf /tell a person who soloing that she going to give him/she full set of gear for her/his level and the person said no thanks o.o what have this world come too that ppl don't want free stuff.

Some people like to earn everything they have. I would say no thank you if someone wanted to give me free armor too. I would add that it was a very generous thought and that I'm sure someone else would love it.

[Leeloo]

What i dislike about people who solo is when you ask them to party to do leves they say no i'm soloing -.- also have this happen to you in ffxiv? my gf /tell a person who soloing that she going to give him/she full set of gear for her/his level and the person said no thanks o.o what have this world come too that ppl don't want free stuff.

I dunno, I've seen groups(not full) turn down or ignore people asking to leve-link at camps too.(Some saying "LS only" or somethin') I've seen countless threads from new players with titles such as "Does anyone talk in this game??" because they ask for some minor help and get nothing. Big linkshells can split up into little cliques ignoring others. Or some only talk to the cool "Vent" people. That's just some examples. All apparently acceptable mmo behavior.

But the solo person is being rude because he's not really busy is he? = D

That's part of what the OP was gettin' at. Before things got sidetracked.

[thedevilsjester]

A mmo is a group based game by definition.

What definition? The only definition in a MMO is that its Massively Multiplayer and Online. Not once does the term MMO mention groups.

I must've missed where the OP demanded change to the game and was whining about it not being solo friendly. Whatever, I do both and really enjoy solo over a zerg-fest sometimes. Gotta admit though, spending any significant amount of time on this or other FFXIV forums does build a better case for soloing. = D

Oh I like you. There are no changes I would make to FFXIV to better cater to one or the other. I think, what I have played so far, it is designed perfectly as far as solo content goes.

Ran out of room to use as an example
" I just don't want to play with anyone. If I have to put up with an occasional group to play in such a world, its a price I am willing to pay."

is why most ppl do not like soloers. Comments like these are a slap in the face for alot of mmorp'ers since mmo are community game.

How? How does me not liking to party, and doing so only when I have no choice, slap you in the face? Is your self-esteem tied to what I personally favor? Is the fact that I want to play without you somehow make you feel less? I do not quite understand your reasoning here.

Again, there will be content for both players, but you have to understand, if there is content that is challenging for groups (as in you NEED 8 people to do it) why should the soloists get that same content scaled down so that they can kill it?

I do not think you understand what scaling is. Scaling doesn't make an 8 man instance easy for a soloist. Scaling makes an 8 man instance as difficult for a soloist as it is for an 8 man party. The soloist still has to work JUST AS HARD as you do in your 8 man team (arguably more so because we do not have tanks, healers, etc... so have to be more strategic). Scaling (done right) is the perfect solution to give soloers and groupers equal rewards for equal effort. Any situation where soloers get it easier is just poor scaling and needs to be adjusted. Why should someone who works just as hard solo as you do in your party, not be entitled to the same rewards for effort?

Anyway, my post never intended to be taken on a tangent of this type, it was intended to inform the groupers that us soloers solo out of choice, not because we are forced to. I do not think that FFXIV should be easier (in fact I think its too easy

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Actually solo players are accepted it is the hardcore players don't want the content of the MMO or game they are playing to be altered because of the casual players. That is why the content should be more distinguishable and separated in ways that solo players don't effect the hardcore players and the hardcore players don't effect the solo players, except maybe in the economy only.

[Xatsh]

Actually solo players are accepted it is the hardcore players don't want the content of the MMO or game they are playing to be altered because of the casual players. That is why the content should be more distinguishable and separated in ways that solo players don't effect the hardcore players and the hardcore players don't effect the solo players, except maybe in the economy only.

This is completly false and the other way around.

Hardcores want content for both, casuals want all content designed for them.

The 2nd part is right though, we need content for both that do not effect each other.

[thedevilsjester]

Actually solo players are accepted

Your casual use of this phrase is entirely my point. Soloers are not diseased, we are not lepers, we do not need to be "accepted" no more than groupers need to be accepted. We play the game the way we enjoy it most, just as groupers play the game the way they enjoy it most.

If nobody groups when groups are not forced, what does that really say about people and grouping?

It says the same thing that lead MMO's are saying by making a large quantity of solo content. That there are a lot of people (I dare say the silent majority) that want to solo and are willing to pay for a quality solo friendly MMORPG.

That being said, there are rare instances where I think it would just be wrong to scale down. For instance a solo player should not be able to solo Bahamut as the process of scaling down Bahamut himself would destroy the concept of a supremely powerful being. (And I mean actual scaling, not soloers exploiting game mechanics which is another topic entirely). I also feel that there should be instances that force you to go at it solo, to prove your individual worth. But these are more of the exceptions, rather than the rule, and I think (so far as I can tell) that FFXIV does a great job at this. This thread is not (and never was) intended to dispute any functionality in FFXIV, just explain a soloers rational.

Edit: To all those who hold the "soloers are just anti-social" view point, chew on this: I would gladly join a like minded LS to chat with fun and entertaining people while I solo. Just because I do not want to form a party except for rare occasions, doesn't mean I don't enjoy a pleasant conversation, it makes the world a little more lively (and one of the reasons a soloer plays an MMORPG).