The Solo disease?

[AuctionGirl]

QQ more go play an offline game

Anyone tired of pointless posts that have no value?

You go play an offline game. I can do it too...

[Aketo]

Kilta_Firelotus for that is right in this world, at lease try to proofread what your typing.

I barely could stand to read through your emotion driven and very arrogant driven messed of jumble words.

I mean really your the very one of the main reasons I avoid parties half the time, as arrogant selfish driven people are the bane of all good mmos and the driving force for keeping good people away from even considering partying up with others.

Again you should not assume we should drop what we are doing to join you in your PARTY, because I can tell you most of use would rather go at our own pace instead at the pace of others at times including people like you who demand we party with your group instead of doing what we are doing solo.

I mean if almost all the people are are showing that they support by showing they like thedevil by likes underneather each reply, yet you get none it might be a hint your not presenting yourself very well to the community in my opinion.

[Dragon]

Sure, you get some solo-based play. But it should never be even nearly as efficient as group-based play. I don't give a *** about your reasoning for wanting solo-based play, because either way it comes down as an antithesis to the MMORPG genre itself.

[Radaghast]

What exactly do you solo in this game I'm curious anyway (battle wise). Most things would make me want to tear my eyeballs out solo. Adding one or two more people makes things so much more enjoyable and efficient.

[thedevilsjester]

As an effort to get back to the original discussion.......

To the players who prefer playing alone, or perhaps it's better if I direct this towards Thedevilsjester, did you simply want to express how an MMO is also suited for your style of play or did you too want to discuss the implementation of single player mechanics in the game?

I'm sure bits and pieces of this are scattered around, but this makes things easier for myself and to help clarify where you're coming from.

Also, how can we, those within the Final Fantasy XIV community, help make you feel more comfortable?

None of the above really. I wanted simply to help explain to groupers some of the reasoning behind why soloers solo, and that we do not all do it because we have no choice, many of us (I dare say a majority) enjoy soloing, it isn't something forced on us by situation, though that does occasionally play a role.

A simple understanding (even if its only on an intellectual level) that soloists are not all playing solo because they have no choice, and soloists (again using the term to describe all soloists I know, not the entire group as a whole, but I would wager that a large portion are at least similar) do not want the game (or any game) made easier for us and part of soloing is the challenge.

Sure, you get some solo-based play. But it should never be even nearly as efficient as group-based play. I don't give a shit about your reasoning for wanting solo-based play, because either way it comes down as an antithesis to the MMORPG genre itself.

You mean of your own personal interpretation of what the MMORPG genre is about, right? This is another one of those "The way I play is right, the way you play is wrong. You can choose to play differently than I do, but you should be penalised for doing so." type of posts which offer no substance, no reasoning to back up the statement other than a simple opinion that MMORPGs are intended to be played how you do, not how I do. Which is no rule I have ever agreed to. It wasn't in the EULA. It is just your view that you are right and I am wrong for the sole reason that you are you.

The "I want to play alone" is why MMOs lately have been on the easy side, so the game can cater to them and why those who like doing group stuff have to deal with easy content. Whether bad or good is subjective but it is why MMOs have become the way they did in the recent years.

I disagree. This is a trend that has nothing (or very little) to do with soloers and is simply a cause and effect situation of gaming expanding to larger markets of younger (or less skilful/gamer) people. As a soloer, I enjoy a challenge, I live for it. If a game hands me something for little to no effort, I will usually skip past, and if the entire game is like that, find another. Granted sometimes a developer will try and make things solo friendly by poor implementation or by simply lowering its difficulty across the board, and these are developer issues and poor judgement on their part, it is not what I want as a soloist.

[Dragon]

You mean of your own personal interpretation of what the MMORPG genre is about, right? This is another one of those "The way I play is right, the way you play is wrong. You can choose to play differently than I do, but you should be penalised for doing so." type of posts which offer no substance, no reasoning to back up the statement other than a simple opinion that MMORPGs are intended to be played how you do, not how I do. Which is no rule I have ever agreed to. It wasn't in the EULA. It is just your view that you are right and I am wrong for the sole reason that you are you.

You mean like how you think you're right and I'm wrong. See I can play that game too. The difference is, I never said you shouldn't be allowed to solo. I said very damn clearly that soloing should never be nearly as effective as grouping. It's not my fault you can't understand something so easy.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Well Kilta... every soloer will now be beating down your door to play with you...

Edit: And to clarify, I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying that because there are better ways to approach your point without angering and alienating people.

I was simply replying to the question I was asked. Those are how I feel solo'ers can effect mmo. That don't mean I hate them I also wrote that while 1/2 asleep. Most of my comment in this thread was made while I was 1/2 a sleep. But... I try my best to type w/o offending people. Sometimes they just get offended even by minor stuff.

[thedevilsjester]

You mean like how you think you're right and I'm wrong. See I can play that game too. The difference is, I never said you shouldn't be allowed to solo. I said very damn clearly that soloing should never be nearly as effective as grouping. It's not my fault you can't understand something so easy.

I actually took that part of your post wrong (or didn't think it all the way through) and I apologise, that it makes sense and I even agree with it (groups should get more exp/hr than soloers because they can kill faster and do more quests it is just simple mathematics) and we shouldn't "increase a soloers exp/hr to match a group" (that would be poor game design).

It is the view point that soloers are the antithesis to an MMORPG that I take issue with (and probably what coloured my reply)

[Radaghast]

You mean of your own personal interpretation of what the MMORPG genre is about, right? This is another one of those "The way I play is right, the way you play is wrong. You can choose to play differently than I do, but you should be penalised for doing so." type of posts which offer no substance, no reasoning to back up the statement other than a simple opinion that MMORPGs are intended to be played how you do, not how I do. Which is no rule I have ever agreed to. It wasn't in the EULA. It is just your view that you are right and I am wrong for the sole reason that you are you..

It's not really arrogance so much as you need incentives to group else why would anyone ever bother with it. If I could make as fast sp solo as I could with a group, why would I waste time trying to find one or form a group myself. I don't think the spirit of the genre means play it while treating everyone else as amazing AI npcs or something.

Solo play should always be an option. There will be times you can't devote time to play extended periods or like yourself just have the preference to solo. Once that starts detracting from groups because they make design decisions to encourage soloing over grouping is where I have the problem. FFXIV suffers from that right now with the terrible group forming tools and ezmode mobs. About the only reason to group is to do guildleve's for a few hours every other day.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ Everyone getting on my case for misunderstabding me.

My comment actually were not emotionally driven. Thedeveilsjesters were and continue to be. As again he is twisting what everyone else is saying to claim victem. I never claim to hate solo'ers. And i tried my hardest to not be rude. If someone is easily offended, that isn't my fault. As a matter of fact, I was trying to help TDJ with getting people to understand him. Pointing out a few things that they said, that may offend them.

I infact stated many times that I do not hate solo'ers, and infact anyone unless they effect the game negatively. If asked how a set of people can effect the game negatively, of course it may sound negative.
As for post count, that is false. I type on the ps3 which has a character limit. Abd sometimes the edit button doesn't work. I do not care for my post count.

As for my typing, please stop getting on my case with that. I do have a learning disability. I do have a hard time trying to put in proper grammar.