The Solo disease?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I don't see the fun in soloing everything. Oblivion is a single player RPG, I spent PLENTY of time playing that....
Another thing, why PAY a monthly fee if you aren't doing anything with anyone except getting occasssional updates, MOST that you have to continue to buy? That's beyond me really...

he also talks to people.... :P Sorry I couldn't resist saying that

If i was in the OP's position, I would have asked why solo'ers have a negative stigma. VS assuming there is one, ranting about unproven claims. More so with out giving evidence.

I took his rant as him puffing out his chest that he solos. All he wany was him to say his peace and for us to I guess say OK thanks for enlightening us we undersatand you better. Really I have no idea why OP posted what he did. And why he gets defensive when ppl say "expect to group sometimes in a group based mmo".

[Amage]

funny part is I posted the same thing 4 times to him and he still denied it.

goooo B's btw

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I think what the soloers mean is they like to generally socialize, but want to be represented in future content if they choose to solo. With scalable yet challenging instances. The debate is over why MMOs do not do this with all of their content.

This post isn't a defense to them or a nod to players who like their group play. It's just a reminder of what the freakin debate is since it's gone so off track.

actually no.... read his first topic over he wants us to understand that people andjoy soloing for the sake of it not because they are forced to going as fare as to say he hates and will refuse to party up.

The content thing came up after alot of players stated you can solo ball you want but there might be content you need a group on. OP got defensive over it. Asking about scaled content for solo'ers (not easy content but solo friendly content) Which was made mention that if all content can be solo or grouped, ppl would solo as there is no reason to group.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

actually no.... read his first topic over he wants us to understand that people andjoy soloing for the sake of it not because they are forced to going as fare as to say he hates and will refuse to party up.

The content thing came up after alot of players stated you can solo ball you want but there might be content you need a group on. OP got defensive over it. Asking about scaled content for solo'ers (not easy content but solo friendly content) Which was made mention that if all content can be solo or grouped, ppl would solo as there is no reason to group.

Yes, that is the new debate. Have you solved it? Cause if you have then why are you still talking?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

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Which infacts skrew over those who enjoy groups since getting groups will be hard. Examples are WoW and Aion. These gajes have content a person can solo or group. And most ppl just solo since it is the faster way. And that even if you want to do the group version you will get laughed at saying there is no reason to do that you get the same reward solo, why bother? Then mock you for being too lazy to solo.

I've had first hand experience of that. And it isn't cool.
I'm also made mention there are infact various types of mmo. Group based, solo based, social. all these have group and solo content But depending on the mmo may favor one over another.
Like group mmo (ffxi, ffxiv, and a few f2p ones) have solo aspects but focus is mostly grouping. While solo mmo, Aion, WoW and Soon star wars the old republic, will have some aspect of group play but it is pausable to mainly solo in these mmo. And social games that is more favored in chatting. Second life, and other games like this. :P

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Yes, that is the new debate. Have you solved it? Cause if you have then why are you still talking?

I'm only explaining what happen not bringing it up again to start over.

Honestly i'm wondering why this was even a topic, since it was only writen to say "solo'ers are not evil and do not play solo because of getting forced to" Obviously no one really has an issue with solo'ers. Just when they want group content to be soloable. (which was repeatedly stated why that can't be). Which was something the O{P himself started when ppl openly admited "we do not hate solo'ers, but that this is a group style mmo and there will be content you need a group on"
No anyones fault OP dislikes parties so much he got defensice said something then denied it several posts later

[DeadlySwordz]

the one thing I never found to make any sense........ if you want to solo..... why in the heck are you playing an MMORPG....and dont give me that "single player RPGs dont hold up to MMORPGs) because I have a whole shelf full of games, spanning decades that will prove that wrong.

if an MMO looks interesting to someone, then who cares if they want to play and play solo? i knew a handful of people in FFXI that played solo all the time. their one main thing that they played the game for was to craft, and craft only. if someone is paying for a game monthly (except ff14 for now) in any MMO, then let them just play how they feel like it. it's amazing there is soo much hate for something so small. grow up people..........

[Kilta_Firelotus]

if an MMO looks interesting to someone, then who cares if they want to play and play solo? i knew a handful of people in FFXI that played solo all the time. their one main thing that they played the game for was to craft, and craft only. if someone is paying for a game monthly (except ff14 for now) in any MMO, then let them just play how they feel like it. it's amazing there is soo much hate for something so small. grow up people..........

actually read the thread. No one stated they hate solo'ers. We might wonder why they play mmo. But unless they effect someone negatively no one really cares. As ppl stated "we do not care or mind you solo, just understand there may be times were you need a group" Which started the "debate" on content.
Which simply saying "if all content in mmo can be solo, people would solo it since that is the faster way. And that even if a person tries to group they will get mocked for it."
And asking why ppl solo is a valid question.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

That question being, in a game where 300-5K players play together why do people solo, when there are all those people you can join up with and go on adventures?
content and talking seems to alot of people like odd reason to pay a monthly fee. But again to each there own. No one really cares if ppl solo. Just know what style the mmo as in group, solo, social. And understand how most content will be set up. And solo friendly does not equal solo-able.

[thedevilsjester]

It's not a common mistake you want an alive world I understand that but what is the point of having other humans behind these characters if you do not interact with them. That is what I meant by the illusion of a dead community many solo players but, NOT all. Do not communicate with the rest of the community that does not help an MMO grow it helps it die. Like I said I hope they start making MSO games for players like you where you can see everyone running around doing what they want but not much party play. Never understood having an alive world to only look at it, not interact and be a part of it.

No, you misunderstand what a soloist is. I LOVE to interact with other people. I talk, I craft (I love to provide my guild with crafted goods), I give advice to new players that need it (i.e. where is this, how do you do this, what is this for, etc...) and just in general have fun. What I do NOT do is participate in the party mechanic which is only a small part of the overall whole as far as interaction goes.

Ahhh... Begging your pardon, but yes you did, in post #13 of this thread you said the following - a direct copied-and-pasted quote - in response to a statement Dubont makes in post #6 about how FFXIV has solo content but is not going to be 100% soloable...

No, again my words are misunderstood. I can see where you can make such a mistake with that phrase, except that I have explained it four or five times already. I simply POSED A QUESTION about why someone would think that a game could'nt both be a solo game and a group game. The person I replied to mentioned a game that a game could never be a 100% soloable, and I simply asked the question of why? (as in, a simple question about why the author of the post thinks that a MMORPG game should never be a 100% soloable) I did not, as my words continue to be twisted into, ever ask for more content, or more solo content, or for this game to be changed in any fashion. In fact, my posts are about game design in general (and peoples concepts of them), and not any one particular game. I am a software developer and game designer, and I find it interesting to hear peoples opinions about why a game could never or should never be designed a particular way. Instead of trying to do point to point counter arguments, I choose to ask questions in an attempt to get the other poster thinking about their answer and why. That is all. (It is, more or less, just my devils advocate stance, intended to delve deeper into the reasoning that some posters have, which is why it is phrased as a series of questions.) Please, for the last time, stop twisting this post to mean what you want it to mean to support your argument. (And those of you that were just honestly mistaken, well now you have the real meaning and intention behind that post, so please, let us move on).