[DEV] Free Company Housing Purchasing Idea!!

[FinagleABagel]

A small group is at a distinct disadvantage compared to a larger one any way you spin it.

Let me spell it out for you, real slow. On my server, there are five out of over two hundred FCs that have 100+ people. Five.

This isn't a question of "ease", but of sheer possibility. You cannot generate enough FC points to have any chance of keeping up with 100+ people. It's not mathematically possible, regardless of how much you play vs. how much they play. It is mathematically possible to keep up in terms of gil, through general skills. It takes time but it's not hard and/or impossible.

There is no question that if you want to reward "hard" work, gil is the more fair option. I'd rather see dozens of FC houses in 2.1 and I'm pretty sure every crafter in the game is going to want that too. More people to buy, more things to sell. It's a good thing for the market and it's a good thing for the community.

Also, don't forget that we already know a small FC house is about 800k. Do you really think a large FC house is going to be more than 5 million (more than 5x the cost of a small)? That quantity of gil should be simple for an FC of any size over 10 ppl to generate.

I don't know why you want FC's to be super exclusive. Easier time to zerg up your FC more with people desperate to participate in one of the main functions of 2.1? Sounds pretty shady and lame to me.

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Also, when have forums corrected anticipated what players in game want? As if I'm the only person who thinks this is a bad idea. Do you even realize most people won't ever even look here? Heck if I wanted to I'd have about 200 people in here saying this is a bad idea. Does that make me right? No, just makes me a response stacker. I'm trying to have a substantive debate with you, but if you are going to rely on forum posts - well, I have nothing more to say to you.

[Elemia]

I'm gonna disagree with your idea purely on the basis of you putting [DEV] in the title of the thread

[Molly_Millions]

Let me spell it out for you, real slow. On my server, there are five out of over two hundred FCs that have 100+ people. Five.

So, those 5 will have a large house with less effort than the other FCs. Thanks for proving my point.

This isn't a question of "ease", but of sheer possibility. You cannot generate enough FC points to have any chance of keeping up with 100+ people. It's not mathematically possible, regardless of how much you play vs. how much they play. It is mathematically possible to keep up in terms of gil, through general skills. It takes time but it's not hard and/or impossible.

That only depends on what the price is for each house. We have an idea of what it is in terms of gil, but if it were changed to FC points, we don't know that the price would remain the same. So this argument makes a great assumption that 8 people would not be able to afford a large house no matter what.

There is no question that if you want to reward "hard" work, gil is the more fair option. I'd rather see dozens of FC houses in 2.1 and I'm pretty sure every crafter in the game is going to want that too. More people to buy, more things to sell. It's a good thing for the market and it's a good thing for the community.

Again, based on the same assumption as the above.

Also, don't forget that we already know a small FC house is about 800k. Do you really think a large FC house is going to be more than 5 million (more than 5x the cost of a small)? That quantity of gil should be simple for an FC of any size over 10 ppl to generate.

I don't know why you want FC's to be super exclusive. Easier time to zerg up your FC more with people desperate to participate in one of the main functions of 2.1? Sounds pretty shady and lame to me.

Maybe. I do think large houses should be exclusive, just like in real life.

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Also, when have forums corrected anticipated what players in game want? As if I'm the only person who thinks this is a bad idea. Do you even realize most people won't ever even look here? Heck if I wanted to I'd have about 200 people in here saying this is a bad idea. Does that make me right? No, just makes me a response stacker. I'm trying to have a substantive debate with you, but if you are going to rely on forum posts - well, I have nothing more to say to you.

If we assume that the forum population is a microcosm of the entire player base, then we can also assume that the ratio of those in agreement to those who disagree is roughly equal to that of the player base at large. What's your point?

[FinagleABagel]

So, those 5 will have a large house with less effort than the other FCs. Thanks for proving my point.

Huh? Generating FC points requires NO EFFORT, which is part of the problem. It's a numbers game. You can't put more effort into getting more points, you can only do so much.

That only depends on what the price is for each house. We have an idea of what it is in terms of gil, but if it were changed to FC points, we don't know that the price would remain the same. So this argument makes a great assumption that 8 people would not be able to afford a large house no matter what.

Way to ignore FC point disparity. If you want a purpose to your FC points, then the cost has to be tuned to the larger FCs because otherwise...you'd still have a ton extra. Thus removing any purpose driven design with your idea.

Again, based on the same assumption as the above.

How? Please tell me how I can get more FC points by "trying harder".

Maybe. I do think large houses should be exclusive, just like in real life.

LOL. Yes, because all of us want a game that reflects real life. That's why they are fun, because they mirror my life perfectly. Seriously, you need to think larger picture. Would making a large FC house cost 5 million gil make it not exclusive enough for you? What about all the things that you can put into the house. Isn't that the better frame to gauge exclusivity? After all, most servers will only have ONE FC that has even progressed far enough to have a chance of obtaining the Coil craft.

Anyway, I'm done with you. You clearly aren't going to see any sort of logic. If you want me to flood the thread, I will. I'll take solace in knowing that Yoshi is in charge - not you.

[Molly_Millions]

Huh? Generating FC points requires NO EFFORT, which is part of the problem. It's a numbers game. You can't put more effort into getting more points, you can only do so much.

The amount of effort determines the speed at which they are gained. more work put in = more points in a shorter amount of time. Just like gil. As I said before, the only difference is the cap. in both cases the the cap is relative to the number of people in the FC.

[FinagleABagel]

The amount of effort determines the speed at which they are gained. more work put in = more points in a shorter amount of time. Just like gil. As I said before, the only difference is the cap.

The cap is what matters. You gain FC points by pretty much doing nothing. If you can't see the difference, I can't have a constructive conversation with you.

Also, you don't have a cap on how much gil you can make in a day.

[Molly_Millions]

The cap is what matters. You gain FC points by pretty much doing nothing. If you can't see the difference, I can't have a constructive conversation with you.

Also, you don't have a cap on how much gil you can make in a day.

Ah, but that's the thing, you don't earn FC points by doing nothing. Try it, form and FC and have every member just stand in town, you won't earn any points.

[FinagleABagel]

Ah, but that's the thing, you don't earn FC points by doing nothing. Try it, form and FC and have every member just stand in town, you won't earn any points.

Good god, give me enough time to read over my posts and edit them for clarity. Still ignoring the cap issue, which is the primary difference and the crux of my argument.

Fortunately, for gil generation you have to do MORE than what it takes to generate FC points and there's no cap. So its a significantly better frame for gauging individual effort.

Basically, your argument is so poor that I see plenty of reasons to call your motives into question. I don't know why you think FC consolidation is such a good thing, unless you view it as a reflection of your own personal success in the game. I hate to inform you of this, but it's not.

[Molly_Millions]

Good god, give me enough time to read over my posts and edit them for clarify. Still ignoring the cap issue, which is the primary difference and the crux of my argument.

But you are ignoring that fact that we don't know that if this idea were put in place that the price would be out of reach for a small FC. The argument is based on conjecture. As such your point is moot, hence, why I am ignoring it.

[FinagleABagel]

But you are ignoring that fact that we don't know that if this idea were put in place that the price would be out of reach for a small FC. Your point is moot, hence, why I am ignoring it.

Ok, I'll be sure to post a picture of my small FC in a big house with the gil we collected to buy it. I encourage the 200+ other FCs on my server to do the same.

Like I said before, small home ~800k. Unlike you, I'm actually using the facts currently available. You are doing some sort of magic hand waving. Sorry hun, but argument's don't work that way. I seriously doubt it will be more than 5x that value. Besides, if you've paid any attention at all, the dev team is extremely concerned about market effects. They aren't going to make a massive gil sink. It won't be anywhere near as expensive as you seem to think it will be. I bet any hardcore crafter could purchase the large home individually, given what we already know.